E190: Losing Your Feminity, Faith, and Intuition while Pursuing Health

Do you often find yourself searching for the latest supplement, diet, or expert advice, only to feel more stressed and overwhelmed? You're not alone. Many women get trapped in this cycle, losing touch with their intuition, faith, and femininity along the way. What if the real solution lies in trusting yourself rather than constantly seeking more information? 

In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Heather Rhodes, and we’re having a real, honest conversation about why this happens and how to move forward. We’ll cover:

• How to recognize the signs of a masculine-driven health mindset and its effects on your body 
• Why the pressure to “do more” might be harming your health, and what you can do instead
• Ways to reconnect with your intuition, trust your body, and incorporate more faith into your health journey

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Transcript

Hey friend, welcome back to the happily hormonal podcast today. I have Dr. Heather Rhodes with me. She is going to be a more frequent guest as I've told you in 2025. And we had noticed a pattern that we were seeing not only within ourselves, but within a lot of our clients and friends, and just like other women as well in this wellness space of us really losing Connection with our femininity, with our intuition, and even with our faith and seeing others lose connection with that in the hustle essentially to improve health.
And sometimes in that fear based marketing that comes with trying to improve health. We are diving into that today and just having a conversation about how we can reconnect with our faith and our femininity and our intuition and really bring those things into the context of our health journeys and our hormone balance journeys, not only for ourselves, but for our families as well.  
I hope you enjoy this and I'll see you in there.  
Leisha: One of the things that we have seen a lot in ourselves and as hormone coaches is that there is a, I would call it an epidemic. of women losing trust in themselves and getting very into the masculine when it comes to health. And I actually think that this comes a lot from a really fear based mindset.
 Heather and I have both been here ourselves. With our own health, with our kids , with probably everything in life, and we've seen this so much with clients. We want to really dive into this conversation today of as a woman, and specifically as a woman of God, how do we reclaim. Not only our intuition, but our faith in our health journey, in our hormone journey, and , how do we start separating out those voices that come from fear and the voices that come from God and come from our God given intuition, even our just like feminine men.
energy and our femininity in our families and how much of that is rooted in our spirituality and rooted in our, , definitely in our faith, but also in our intuition as women. That's I feel like a broad intro, but Heather and I have a lot to say on this. So we're really excited to dive into it.  
Heather: I think the coolest thing is that we're going to bring a unique perspective in the sense that when I see this happening There's really a spiritual a mental kind of emotional and a physical component there's these three areas that are influencing why this is happening If you start experiencing it until we want to hit on All three of those as we talk about it.
I think a good place to start is just describing what this might look like. I'll start and then Leisha, you just add in anything that you're like, Hey, I see it look like this too. Think of this like a spectrum in the sense that you may not be all the way to one extreme, but you may be.  
I'm going to be hearing this and thinking Oh yeah, I can tend towards being a little extreme in this way. When I think about the most extreme way that this shows up, I think about just the constant mental chatter and noise and spiraling around, Am I taking the right supplements?
Do I need more supplements? Am I eating the right way? If I eat this, what will happen? If I eat that, what will happen? Almost like attaching a morality to everything you're doing in the sense of, If I don't do this will happen. If I do this will happen. This is good. This is bad. Even like doing things and then feeling like you should be seeing a result right away.
And then if you don't see that result right away, immediately going back to that same pattern, that same spiral. I think spiraling is a really good way to. Describe it and it's something that I know I personally can step into I've been on both sides of the spectrum I've been in a place where I lived from those spirals and it seems every single day There was such a weight and so much heaviness around every decision I made about supplements about my body about food about diet about exercise and Everything felt big and heavy and hard and I was so critical Of everything I was seeing and analytical and overanalyzing everything in my brain would just spin itself into circles and then there was so much healing, but even now being on what I would say is almost the whole other side of the spectrum, I can still notice this happen for maybe an hour at a time or over something very specific, or maybe it's once every four to five months. I'll have a little glimpse where I'm like two or three days spirally about something. I first just want to release any shame or guilt. you may have about feeling like that.
And also say that there are these three components that we're going to talk to you about that can sometimes be helpful to recognize what's happening because that's half the battle, right? It's like when you're stuck in a spiral, imagine like a whirlpool. Literally all you need is just reach your hand up and have someone grab you and you can be pulled out of it that quickly.
And you can actually start to spiral up. You can actually change your direction once you know what to look for. But Leisha, tell us, I want you to describe it like in your words if you're open to it. , how do you see this play out? If somebody's listening and they're like, hey, I actually think this is happening to me what do you see when you see this happening to somebody from the outside as their coach, as their friend, as their mentor, as something you've experienced?  
Leisha: I honestly think there's two ways that I see it. I think one side of it can be almost like a numbness and then the other side is panic and anxiety. And I've definitely been on both sides, just being really honest and depends on the day. Or it depends on the year.
 I would say on the numbness side, I find that these are women who are very high functioning. Very ambitious, very busy, and they are, I won't say 100 percent masculine, but very much in masculine. And when we talk about feminine masculine energy, I just want to be clear, we're not going woo here.
 Obviously, God created men, God created women. We are different. There's different energy in us. And especially when we lean into, what God really created with men and women, we both have some feminine and some masculine energy. But I think that so many of us as women are feeling more called as we grow in our relationships with the Lord, as we grow in our marriages, in her motherhood.
To be more in our feminine, where we're not the ones always pushing, where we're not the ones who are always making things happen, but we are more in a surrender state, which, to be honest, is my least favorite thing in so many ways, but being able to take a step back and let one little finger off of some of the control and just take that space to do.  
To be able to surrender to God for sure, but even just to maybe it is in your marriage as well, or maybe it is in relationships where you just don't have to be the one controlling everything all the time. When we're focused on health, I think that we can be in this go go masculine mentality that leads over into our health, where it's just a very clear okay, I have to be, following this little checklist X, Y, Z, and, this is what's going to save me health wise or my hormones or whatever and where I see the spiral in that is that we're tired, we're burned out, we're whatever, we don't have any libido, our periods are bad. Because of this overdoing, because of this over control, over commitment busyness that probably comes, probably just going into all the layers, probably comes from trauma, probably comes from childhood hurt, probably comes from being afraid to feel your feelings.
And. There are so many layers to uncover there, we don't have to uncover them all in a day. We don't have to cover them all in a year. But there are these layers that keep us in this go, go, go masculine mentality, wanting to have all the control possible. And when this bleeds over into our health, it's like just consistently looking for something new, 
and it's to fill the void of those emotions that you're not feeling. And you're buying new supplements, you're , doing a new program, always outsourcing is actually what I'm trying to get to. You're always outsourcing your information. You're always looking for someone else to have the answer, someone else to be, the perfect coach to fix the problem, the perfect doctor to have the perfect test or the perfect supplements.
 It's just this like constant desire for that. With that being said, like Heather said, I love that you said this is a spectrum. None of that is bad in and of itself. It can be very stressful and overwhelming and all consuming when all of that is happening together. And then the other side of it can be really similar, but it's almost like the opposite where you are crashing, 
your health is really struggling. Your energy is really struggling. You're not as high functioning as you want to be or as you once were and just feeling you're in that hole and you are struggling to get out. But the spiral in my opinion is typically very similar where it's still that constant looking for new information.
researching, outsourcing, buying all the things, and truly not having the peace to give something the time it needs to actually work. And really specifically, where we get into fear versus intuition or hearing from the Lord is when we're constantly looking outside of ourselves and outside of asking God for what's next, we are Essentially keeping ourselves in that nervous system overwhelm.
And it's really easy to go here. Like I said, I'm being super open, honest in this episode. I have situations in my life where like I'm here. We're talking about this from a place of it's easy to see from the outside. And it's something that I think probably most of us are working on to some extent.
And. There is a difference in how it feels to be doing something out of fear, anxiety, afraid of what's coming versus Slowing down enough to really question what you're doing and taking it to the Lord Journaling praying on it taking the space to sit with it and say is this from you?
Or is this something I just know so let's talk. Let's say it's not even for you It's for your kids, ? As a mom, we have been given this intuition, and I think sometimes it's really easy to shut it down and to want to outsource to our pediatrician or to, whoever, the mommy blogger who seems like she has all the answers.
 I think that asking for help and being an advocate for yourself and your children is so helpful and so good, and I have so much fruit in my life from that, and we can't bypass ourselves. That process because we are the ones who are living our lives, but also are who are the mothers to our children.
Heather: I think just to put us in a little logical sequence with what you just said, I just want to back us up for a hot minute in case anybody's listening and they're like, wait, what did say masculine or feminine energy.
And just like you said it's not woo. It's literally just that everything in the world has an opposing force. That's that physical energy is a real thing. You can't deny it. And for every thing, there's an opposite thing, right? If it's hot, or for heat, there's cold.
For light, there's dark. We know that the world was created with these oppositional kind of components. And inside of us, and we also know that You need both. And so inside of us, we do have feminine hormones, masculine hormones. We have energy that kind of comes from those. When we think about like masculine energy, it's a lot of what Leisha said around productivity, I make it happen.
I get it done. I go, and these aren't things saying Oh, men act like this. It's just saying Hey, this is what these hormones and this like structural system in our bodies. Our design there to produce. It's a lot of take charge. It's a lot of, my way or I won't want to say my way of the highway, but yeah, like I am the one responsible for getting to this result that I want.
And then the feminine energy is more of that, receiving surrendering trust, control, creativity, not feeling a need to produce. And we need both in our life. And that's why I believe like we're as. Women were so intertwined with how the physical world operates and we are still humans with mind, body, and spirit.
 We actually get to showcase the beauty of these oppositional pieces in the design of a female, because we're able to move in and out of both of those things really fluidly, in my opinion, and throughout the month, like our cycles themselves reflect the fluidity of moving. In and out of these pieces.
But something that you mentioned that I just wanted to tie back to it is I think a lot of times what happens with things like. spirals , we get really comfortable in one or the other. And that's what I think you were saying when you were like, Hey, I see this show up in two different ways.
 You can get really comfortable in the I have to make it happen. I have to have control. I have to produce the results if I want to see them there. And anytime you move out of that, it actually feels uncomfortable. And a lot of times that's because your nervous system doesn't really feel safe.
 Rather than feel that discomfort and work through that, We immediately go back to what's comfortable. this is what happens on a healing journey when your body and your intuition and you're feeling like, okay, I know that God is asking me and I'm being led to learn how my body works and to start trusting it or to, support my hormones in this different way.
And you start to, and your body starts to respond, but it immediately feels uncomfortable. And that's what actually can trigger us. to go back into what's most comfortable, which is that control a lot of times. What we see is you're grasping for control in different ways. You get this little hit of dopamine, this little hit of control when you start tracking your macros again, when you get a brand new supplement, when you decide you're going to do a new exercise workout, whenever it may be.  
 I just think that is important, and I think a lot of that too, that discomfort, the reason we avoid it so quickly is something else you said, Leisha, which is shutting down emotions. Along the way, that masculine energy forces you to suppress. We don't have time to think about what we're feeling, what we feel isn't safe.
 What happens is We aren't in tune with how we feel about anything. So it's easier to keep pushing forward and keep tracking for a goal than it is to stop and feel, because that feels unproductive. There's discomfort when you start to do it and that shows up. And I think that final piece that you mentioned that I was like, Oh, we should really connect this for them.
Is that. Because these are both energies your body experiences when over time emotions get suppressed your body learns It's not safe to feel it's not safe to be unproductive. It's not safe to let go of control It's not safe to surrender then that is actually suppressing that feminine energy Which comes from your feminine hormones, which really originate in your female reproductive areas that area of your body can hold these emotions and these traumas even though they might not have been to that area physically.
 A lot of times when somebody has something like PCOS and endo and hormone imbalances and fertility struggles, there is a link between not feeling safe with certain emotions, suppressing emotions, not feeling safe in feminine energy. And that suppression actually manifesting in your body, not manifesting like we would, but showing up in your body in the organs that are the most vulnerable related to those emotions.
 It's really interesting because I think there's this kind of tie of women who, feel the most comfortable and masculine, having a lot of hormone struggles because they really suppress that feminine energy and that shows up physically in their bodies through their feminine organs and their feminine hormones and that whole system working together.   
Leisha: I think too, another reason that so many of us feel more comfortable in masculine is that we have some stories that have been given to us or we've believed about. Just like our femininity being 
less than essentially and I don't mean this in a feminist like we're oppressed way But even when it comes to our bodies and our periods I grew up in a pretty conservative household and I don't feel like I had a lot of shame put on me or anything like that, but even just Being taught, you have to be really modest and we're private about periods or, just essentially trying to keep things very I want to say proper.
My family is not proper, but that's the word that I, it comes to mind. That's something that I'm questioning and working through how to teach my daughter in a little bit of a different way where there's less shame. around sexuality around our bodies while still respecting boundaries that keep us safe, to be honest.
 That's just something that's a, not a fully formed thought, to be honest, but it's just something that I want to say. Sometimes I think we feel uncomfortable with our femininity because we were taught to mask it and cover it up. And.
There's something to that for sure.  
Heather: I think a lot of that can even happen subconsciously without you or family member, like putting that on you. But I know that I even think about how embarrassing, anything around your period, middle school or people talking about it, or boys talking about it, or feminine products.
And it's everything has to be so discreet and hidden. And like the worst thing in the world is that, somebody finds out you're on your own, that creates so much of this narrative around it's something to be Hidden and their shame and guilt and those things can just latch on even if it wasn't explicitly taught to you in that way the next thing we wanted to talk about was how Each of these things can be rooted in and then also addressed and healed in these three areas of the spiritual, the physical and the mindset.
 We talked a little bit, I think, more around the physical so we can just start there if you start noticing this is happening because it's actually a pretty miserable place to live. I've lived in it for a very long time. And what I think a lot of times your body and your mind, what you're truly desiring is to be on the other side where you can have masculine and feminine is to be out of that constant cycle and that constant spiral.
It is so exhausting that I can remember just wanting it to stop more than anything, but then the way to make it stop required that discomfort. And I had to learn how do I regulate my nervous system in my body, even in that discomfort. And that's where a lot of the mindset came in. I had to tell myself new stories.
I had to believe new things and a lot of prayer. That's like the physical piece of it. I'm sorry, the spiritual piece of it. But I think in the physical, it can look like actually practicing. practicing surrender, practicing doing things in perfectly and letting that be okay. Because a lot of times you can say, Oh, it's not a huge deal.
If I don't follow my diet, but until you stop tracking those macros and you go out and enjoy food and feel the discomfort that shows up when you do it, you have to work through that. In order to be there I've done some, some work in the life coaching arena. And when they talk about this, they talk about it as for anything to change for your thoughts.
And your feelings and your actions to start changing. That's actually what will give you new results because the circumstance can say the same, but what actually gives you new results in the same circumstance is your thoughts, your feelings, and your actions changing. And as soon as you start to make changes to those, you go through what they call the river of misery, which means that like you feel all this resistance, you feel all this discomfort.
And that can actually be a sign that you're on the right path. And one thing you mentioned there too, was , we shut down our intuition and a part of what this can look like is constantly seeking out someone outside of you to tell you what to do, to give you a plan. This is why everybody's I just want a meal plan and I'll follow it.
I just want the steps. I'll do it to our team. I know you say you want that because that feels the most comfortable, but that's not. That's not how you get your fruit in your real healing. Your real healing is literally you becoming the person that can trust your body, that knows and understands how it works.
 When I think about what does that mean when it comes to coaching, it means that you need a coach or a guide or a mentor that actually can teach you what you need to know to be able to trust. Because it's really hard to take somebody who is a process oriented. analytical thinking type of person and just tell them to start trusting.
I do think there is a layer of hey, they have to have some understanding of how their body's working and how these pieces fit together so that they can see the evidence of it and start trusting it. It's very much if you were zip lining, you would never just go up there and pray that you had a harness.
You want to have a furnace on and you want to feel that harness. And I think a lot of times that harness for women, especially that are stuck in these. Spirals are these situations , when I think about it is like going back to that solid wisdom and that knowledge and understanding of, Oh, this is how my body was designed.
This is how it works. , it's good. I can rewrite the story around it and I can trust that it's got me. It's there. It's like holding that harness when you're getting ready to jump off the zip. Fine platform. And then the other thing is having somebody that encourages you and shows you what it looks like to pull out your own intuition.
That you need a coach that yes, can teach you what you need to know, but then is also highlighting, Hey, what is your intuition saying? This is what I'm seeing is happening from the outside. This is what you're saying. This is what your body's doing. This is what your body's asking for. How do you feel about that?
And let's break some of these components down for you so that you can move forward from a place of peace and trust and surrender and you can actually let go of that control a little bit. So that's the physical piece. And then I also think that just like very practical and I encourage my clients with this all the time is you've got to practice being infeminine.
You have to practice and you can do it in really small little ways of just being creative, thinking about what you love to do as a little girl and doing some of that, having time where you're not productive. Literally setting aside time to not be productive. I do this with our girls in our challenge sometimes, and they'll be like I did do this, but I did it while doing this so that I could also do this.
And I'm like, wait a second. That is still coming from that place of productivity there's still this fear around what will happen if you do take 20 minutes. Nothing happens in those 20 minutes, but that you start to feel really good or that you start to do something that feels really uncomfortable, but that, on the other side brings the results.
What else would you add to the physical kind of box of this?  
Leisha: I feel like there's so much that you said that really, resonates for me. I think that just actually learning to trust your body as simple, yet not intuitive as that sounds to us some of the time is so helpful. I had a client that I worked with and her testimonial that I just loved, it was just a little bit different was that she was just like, I loved how much you trusted that my body knew what to do and that it was going to heal.
And she was like, that really encouraged me to be able to trust that as well. And sometimes it is easier to do it for somebody else. But trusting that our bodies actually are working for us and that they may need specific things to be able to heal. Absolutely. We believe in that. We teach that all the time.
And we can trust that when our bodies have what they need, even on a more basic level than you think it needs to be that they can heal and being able to trust that yourself. I think it changes your mindset to a whole different place. So I guess this is the physical and mindset.   
truly like a small shift it gets us out of the, feeling so black and white with what is needed and being a little bit more in a place of surrender, but also just a place of curiosity. I think curiosity is huge for being able to, instead of oh, okay, if I eat this food, this is going to be bad. And I'm going to have this bad symptom.
 We're just speaking those words over ourselves. But what if it was more like, I trust my body. I'm doing my very best to take care of it and let me see how this works. I'm going to try something and give it not only time to work, but a little bit of space where I'm just more curious versus this is life or death.
It has to work or I'm dead. I feel like that sounds so dramatic, but also it's so easy to feel that way. If this doesn't work, I'm never going to find a solution. That's so much pressure and honestly, like negative energy that we're putting on something versus coming in and saying I'm really curious how well this can work for me.
 If Sam talking about a supplement okay, you're, you've got this perfect hormone balance supplement that you think is going to help you. If you come into it, which like Heather just rolls her eyes, I feel the same way. But if you come into it with a mindset of I'm really curious, how good this could make me feel.
Your body honestly will respond differently than if this doesn't work, I'm screwed. I'm getting a hysterectomy. That energy again is just so different, I think having a little bit of more curiosity, maybe it's something like, I'm just going to try and see if gluten is working for me or if it's not, I just want to notice how my body feels with more fruits or more organic food or something like that.
 Just a curiosity. I want to feel what I'm feeling versus a if this fails, we're screwed. I just think that it's huge in the mindset realm.
Heather: . And I think just jumping into that mindset piece, something you said is so huge. You said having somebody else believe it for you. That makes, a massive difference. That's something I've experienced in a personal way around having a coach that like, she has literally said to me I'm not scared for you.
You're really scared right now, and I understand that, but I am not scared for you. I know this to be true. When I have not been on a call with her, not been talking with her, and I've been in a situation where I'm like, oh, should I do this, should I not, I don't really know, this feels really hard, what is going to happen if I do or if I don't, I immediately hear that, and I'm like, wait a second.
If anything I decided right now really was gonna cause problems, then she wouldn't not be afraid for me. She would be afraid for me. She'd be like, Hey, this is really important for you to pay attention to because what you decide could be, risky. I want to be in your ear coaching you the whole time through it.
Versus, Knowing, I think about even my kids, if they're in doing something dangerous, like we're by water or something, I have to be on top of them. And I'm like, wait, you need to hear my voice. I need to be right here. Don't do that. Don't do that. But if they're just playing in the backyard, I'm not scared for them, and that allows them to freely explore and that allows them to have fun.
And that allows them to feel that energy, which is so different than when, they're walking by water and I'm like, hold my hand. Don't let go. Look at me. Don't look that way, and that even puts your body in a different place, in a different energy. And curiosity is a feminine emotion.
Same with creativity and trust and surrender. A lot of the ones we talked about, but I think that kind of naturally pulls us into the spiritual piece and. I didn't mean to, bridge the gap in this way, but I think about the example I just used with my kids and I'm like, oh wow, I bet that's what the father does for us too.
That when there is something that is, very important to him or to us or to keep us safe, I believe he would probably treat us in that same way of hey, I'm really close. You can hear my voice. I'm going to be speaking to you loudly. I'm going to be putting these reminders in place.
I'm going to talk to your mentors and your community about this too. And If that's not necessarily the situation in the , natural, but we feel like it is, but he is sitting in the spiritual and Hey, I'm not scared for you. You're going to grow and you're going to learn and it's going to be great either way up.
That's what I see for you. Then I think that can be hard because I think he's always talking to us, but , we might be expecting him to talk in a certain way and we might be expecting to hear from him with that angst and that urgency. But if he isn't scared for us, which I don't think he ever is, but if it's something that maybe is a little bit looser I think maybe his interaction with us will be a little bit different.
And maybe he'll be talking to us about things that aren't direct yes or no answers to should I take this supplement or not. And then we get upset and we're like, God, I'm asking you about this supplement and you're not telling me yes or no. You're talking to me over here about, I don't know One thing he's been talking like gatekeepers.
I'm like, why are you talking to me about gatekeepers? I'm asking about this, and I didn't even think about it until this moment we were talking and I'm like, maybe it's because he's not scared for us. That he's hey, I have this wisdom and this knowledge you have and if it is something that is really I want to say has this huge impact, then you'll hear me.
You can trust me. I'm a father that keeps you from falling in the water, just like you keep your kids from doing that. 
Leisha: I have had some experiences recently like that with my daughter. She's been feeling some anxiety and I'm able to just be like, Hey, I want you to know I'm not worried about that. And she's oh, okay. And it really does make her feel better. Just you saying that it's yeah, thinking of it that way, with the Lord,, if he's not worried about it, we don't see the same picture that he sees.
But I think that can be really encouraging. And I just want to say to This conversation, I think can apply outside of our health for sure, but health is what we talk about. Health is what we see all the time and I just want to be clear, like I've mentioned a few times, this is not something we've mastered, but what I will tell you is that having the perspective that we need to be in more in our feminine, more listening to our intuition and most of all bringing these things to the Lord versus always outsourcing to other people.
I think that's huge. And with that being said, people are in our lives for a reason. Heather and I have both gone through some heavy stuff this year and we can remind each other. Remember what the Lord just told you 
This is the clear picture that I see for your life right now that you can't see,
Leisha: When it comes to the scope of health too, I am not opposed to outsourcing when you need to, but the frantic spirally outsourcing is really what we're talking about here. When it comes from a place of fear, when it comes from a place of desperation, sometimes we just need to take a breath, honestly.
And sit with it for a minute and ask which direction to go instead of just frantically running around in all the directions because that's what leads to continue dysregulation and continued stress versus. finding changes and answers and breakthroughs, to be honest. I don't have a pretty perfect bow to put on this that, if you just trust the Lord, then everything's going to be perfect.
Or if you just lean more into your feminine, everything's going to be perfect. It's not going to be perfect, but if there is . A huge piece and a huge change in the way that you're feeling about things and the way that you're getting answers when you're not in that full I have to do this myself.
I'm the only one who can figure this out. Slash. I need to , find the right person to fix it for me. I think that there is a big shift when it does lean more into what you have been given and taking that breath before you make decisions.
Heather: I think that's so good. And I was, even as you were talking, I was thinking , even when I've seen this in clients and I meant to talk about this with the physical piece, I have seen where certain mineral imbalances, certain issues with nutrition how you're eating certain genetic pieces around like B vitamins and methylation and stuff.
And studies have actually shown us, especially when it comes to zinc levels, that when there are imbalances in these things, it can actually create a little bit of that, like OCD tendency specifically around health. This is something one of our mentors talks about Brendan   
and it's just really interesting because I've watched where we've worked progressively with this with our clients , Hey, let's give you the knowledge and the information you need to trust. And then you have somebody right here holding your hand at the beginning saying Hey, I'm not scared for you and I think this is really what you should look at next and what you should look at next.
And then I've watched as their body starts to re regulate and then it's all of a sudden it's oh wow now my nervous system is re regulating, oh wow now I'm hearing God so differently. I do think that. You can move through this process either way. I think that you can pray about it and God can immediately show you what to do next.
 If you are intuitively feeling pulled towards okay, maybe I do need to look into if there's a physical component that is contributing to me feeling like this, then that's absolutely not made up in your head. It's absolutely something that can be a process to walk through and that you can have healing from as well.  
Leisha: This is what I preach about almost all the time on this podcast is that the physical makes such a difference and it just can't be at exclusion. Specifically for me, it's liver support and blood sugar balance and getting sunlight.
Those things are all huge in how you feel as a woman, to be honest, truly life changing . Once we get past the basics and we're still spiraling, I feel like that's really where I'm, where this conversation comes into play in my opinion.
Heather: So good. And I see it a lot with fertility journeys too, because you can feel so overwhelmed with what do I do? What do I do next? How do I do all of this? And you're doing like eight things at once. That's again, where that intuition, but also what is God saying? Okay. What is he said next?
Okay. What does he said next? He has this path for your fertility journey for you to be on the other side. And I really just believe that the process is the healing and almost the result is inevitable. That makes sense. I believe that for so many of my clients. I'm like, okay, if the process is the healing and the result is inevitable either way, then let's just.
do each piece at a time. And he designed our bodies to work like that for a reason. So it's really cool to see. I feel like this was good. We hit on all three things. you got any last thoughts on it?
Leisha: No, no, I'd love to hear from you, honestly. , what hit for you? You can send us a message on Instagram. You can text the show. Truly I'd love to hear where this resonated because it is a little bit different than what I typically talk about, but I think it's so important.
, honestly, I hope it was encouraging to you. I hope it gave you some things to think about. I hope it gives you some things that you need to go pray about and journal about and do some soul searching because again, Heather and I don't like to do that, but we're learning to do it and it really is so healing. 
Heather: Absolutely. Thanks 
Leisha: We'll see you guys next time.
Heather: Bye guys.