E226: BONUS - When Does Perimenopause Start? Here’s What You Need to Know to Support Your Body, with Bria Gadd

What if perimenopause didn’t have to feel like chaos? In this episode, I’m joined by Bria Gadd, Perimenopause & Menopause Expert, to clear up common myths and help you understand what’s really happening in your body during this transition.

Bria shares her own story of navigating symptoms in her 30s, why you can't get clear answers, and how simple foundations can completely change your experience. We also talk about common misconceptions around supplements and why testing is key before adding more hormones.

You’ll learn:

• [08:27] What perimenopause is and how to recognize the signs
• [15:17] The four key pillars that make symptoms easier
• [23:35] What to know before trying progesterone supplements

Don’t wait until the symptoms get louder. Tune in and let us talk you through it, because, trust me, the sooner you understand what’s going on, the smoother and less scary this ride will be. 

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Chapters

• 8:27 What perimenopause is and how to recognize the signs
• 16:20 The four key pillars that make symptoms easier
• 24:37 What to know before trying progesterone supplements

Transcript

If you feel like perimenopause is scary, confusing, or just a little bit of all of the above, today I have the episode that is perfect for you because we are going to be simplifying perimenopause with Bria Gad of the Period Whisperer Podcast.

Leisha: [00:00:00] Hey friends. Welcome back to the podcast. Today we are gonna be debunking some really common misconceptions about perimenopause, and we are gonna help you understand how to know if you are heading towards perimenopause, what that can look like and how you can actually thrive in perimenopause. So I have an expert here with me today, Bria Gad.

She is the host of the Period Whisper podcast and functions specifically in the perimenopause space. So I'm really excited to have you here, Bria to talk to all of us.

I 

Bria: Thanks, Leisha. I'm so excited to be here. I could talk about this stuff forever. It's just one of my great loves.

Leisha: love that so much. a lot of people have this question for us hormone nerds, How did this become a love for you? Because it's like a strange love to be honest. So tell us a little bit about how you got here.

Bria: I think like most of us. Our love is developed through our story right, our own experience that drove us somewhere that kind of made this aha and obviously changed our lives in a way. Maybe not everyone's story, but [00:01:00] certainly for me. So I am now, I'm 43, almost 44. I'm a mom of two teens.

My kids are 16 and 13. I started my career when my kids were just babies in the health and fitness area, so I've always worked pretty much since I was like 27 with women in health and fitness. But more as a trainer and a nutrition coach. And I really found, my feet and, certainly a purpose in life with fitness at that age.

And I loved helping women find time in the busy stages of their lives, having babies, but like feeling good in their bodies and. Around the age of 35 for me, we'd gone through this huge cross country move. I'm originally Canadian, I live in the us. My kids were going through a big transition like that.

I really started to first notice a change in my clients who were all around my age, right? We often attracted people who are around our age box. And it was like this kind of low. Dull discomfort of no longer feeling, not getting the results that we had been getting before, just not feeling like themselves.

Maybe having some shifts in their period, maybe [00:02:00] not just sleeping as well, losing some motivation. And then at 37 for me. I really got hit hard with the same thing. It was like this slow burn that just escalated and it looked like, I worked out six days a week pretty hard. I didn't have everything figured out, but I was like, I got my fitness and nutrition sorted.

It's one area of my life. I have figured, and it wasn't necessarily about the weight, but I was gaining weight. Without, I feel, I call it undeserved weight gain, where it's like I'm gaining weight, especially in the belly and I didn't understand it, but worse for me, I was, for the first time in my life, started suffering with anxiety.

I was having some skin issues, some digestive issues. Certainly changes in my period. It was not as regular. It was getting heavier. There was just some weird things, which should have been the thing that drove me to my healthcare practitioner. But it wasn't until I stopped sleeping well, I started waking up every night between two and 4:00 AM in a night sweat, and it just, I remember thinking like one.

How am I supposed to help other people if I can't help myself? And two, I [00:03:00] am 37. I can't do this for another 37 years feeling like this. I felt that badly. So I went to my healthcare practitioner and she did all, asked all the questions, ran all the blood work, and was like, Bria. You have the picture of health.

And I think for me it was obviously a really dark moment. 'cause I was like, I am 37. Why do I feel this way? And I make my living feel, this way. And I just felt so awful. It was the first time I think I realized that doctors as amazing and wonderful as I believe they are, their job is to help diagnose something physical.

And what I was experiencing was something deeper, more functional, and I didn't understand anything about female hormones besides that I was gonna get my period every single month pretty much, which was interesting considering I'm in the wellness industry, right? And I only worked with women. So that was the beginning of a major shift for me.

And in that, in my reeducation, the new certifications I got, I became a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner, holistic health coach, a specialization in hormones. It [00:04:00] was like this unwinding of. What I had learned and started to really understand the flow of my body and how to listen to it properly.

And that was really what got me into this field and develop a deep passion about it. And now at 43, almost 44, I feel better than I did, and even in my twenties. And I do less for it. So I'm like, okay, if I didn't know this and I'm in the wellness industry, how are all these other women gonna know this? And that was really what drove my passion to share.

Leisha: that makes so much sense. I think , I joke with my clients sometimes 'cause I'll be talking to them and going through like how the hormones work every single month and what it means for your chart and all of these things. And they're like, this feels like gibberish and it's like I went to nursing school before I started doing health and wellness stuff and , we technically learned this in nursing school, but I could not have told you what was happening with your hormones in a cycle until I started using it every day.

Like truly.

And it is, I think such a miss on. The [00:05:00] part of what we need to know as women because it really does make so many things make sense , that's why Cycle syncing became such a craze for a while , and I think it's settled down a little bit, but women are like, what the heck?

There's a reason that I feel like a different person some of the weeks outta my cycle. And it's

like there totally is. So I love that and I think that it is really helpful to just bring to light for a second that even. Someone who's working with women in fitness maybe is not considering their cycle.

And actually I just wanna quick little message to everyone out there. Just because you are working with a trainer or you're going to a gym and they're a professional, it doesn't mean they know how to take into account what your body needs. So if your body is telling you something different. It's really helpful to co-work that with them. So for example, I go to a gym and work out and they're not taking into account my cycle 0%. There's men there, women there, everybody's at a different place. No. So I need to do that for myself.

And I can, and that allows me to still work out there.

But if I wasn't paying attention at all, I think I'd be [00:06:00] running myself into the ground. I think just understanding that's really helpful.

Bria: yeah. I agree. And I'll just top that off with saying, I think. Ultimately that is why we are seeing so many women in this generation suffering, is that we have not been taught to listen to our own body. And we often blindly follow all the messaging from outside of us thinking, okay, those are the answers, as opposed to listening to and trusting what our body is saying to us.

And I was one of those people.

Leisha: And I think with the. Just like incredible ease of access to information. It's very uncomfortable to hear your own thoughts and to trust your own intuition because we're so easily programmed at this point. You're sitting there, you're like, oh, what's the name of that one thing? And instead of sitting there for, I don't know, five more seconds and waiting till you remember,

you Google it. 

We don't give ourselves a chance to hear our own intuition most of the time.

It's like, oh why does my mood feel off? And you're like, I don't know. I guess I'll just go on [00:07:00] Instagram. There's no

Bria: connecting of dots or 

Leisha: yeah, no connecting of dots. I think

it's an important thing for us to bring back. Especially as women, our intuition is really important, okay, so let's talk about perimenopause, menopause, I think there's some misconceptions of what it isn't. When does it show up? What does that look like? What I typically have people talk to me about is like, okay well, , I'm in my late thirties to early forties, maybe mid forties. Nothing quite feels like it did, like what you were saying, but does that actually define perimenopause? What defines it?

And how do we, start?

Bria: It's always a great question and I always think there's there's science and there's philosophy. I like to bring them both in a little bit because I find metaphors much more easy to understand and I really think of perimenopause as our reverse puberty.

Ultimately, it's our ovaries. Preparing to retire. 'cause they're like, okay, this job is done. I picked it up in puberty. I'm ready to exit stage [00:08:00] left and like to the coast to enjoy my second life and menopause. And it culminates in menopause where they have retired and hormonally, that means that.

As your ovaries start to retire, meaning their production and your amount of eggs that you have. And the amount of hormones that need are needed to release those eggs are going to decline to a lower level, to a level we were once at before we hit puberty. The adrenals are gonna pick up that slack, of these sex hormones that we're gonna maintain.

I always think we know that. Perimenopause, like puberty starts in a range. So puberty's anywhere from like 10 to 13, 14, it kind of goes. I always think of perimenopause beginning in in our thirties sometime, and then again. Lands finishes in this very specific, it's been a year since you've had a last period, and this is menopause.

Basically we've definitely gone long enough where we [00:09:00] know, okay, there's just not enough hormones that the ovaries are producing to continue ovulation and to make us reproductively capable. So they've retired and now the primary role of the sex hormones are being picked up by the adrenals.

That's the way I like to look at it.

Leisha: That makes sense. Okay, so let's just talk about the bad side of this. What everyone expects to happen is things get bad.

What can that look like?

And then let's talk about what that can also look like when your body is

actually supported. 

Bria: Yeah. Yeah. I really always, I wanna put that spin 'cause I think we've been sold a total bunk theory that this is oh, it's gonna be so hard, and oh, we're getting older. , so I'm gonna give you the, I'm gonna give you the good news first. 'cause I prefer if that's okay.

I think that. What our whole lives, we've been somewhat hormonally hijacked in the name of reproduction, right in the name of the circle of life. So half the month, we have these kind of rose colored glasses coming on to make us amenable, to reproduce, to make us, prioritize [00:10:00] other people over ourselves, to keep our children alive.

And now that is going away. And what we get is a life that is, I think. Purely ours to decide how we feel, which will be very similar, should be very similar most days of the month. I think it's our gift that we didn't ask for, but that we need to pay attention to what is no longer working. 'cause I think in a healthy body when function is all working, it should be a transition that's maybe more like rolling waves and not like massive tsunamis.

So the positive I think is that we have a massive opportunity to live our a beautiful, rich life in a very healthy body without. Being hormonally hijacked every single month. That's the gift that we are getting and or that's the opportunity of menopause. But I think where things go wrong and where we have felt very overwhelmed by things is when the function of our body, other areas, our functions, so our adrenal [00:11:00] hormones, our liver, our detoxification pathways, our gut, our immune function, our thyroid.

Any other players in this orchestra of our body aren't working as well as they should, it's gonna throw off those sex hormones and make this transition so much more challenging for us. I really feel like. every woman understands transition adds more work to our life, right? More energy demand, whether you're moving houses, changing jobs, moving your kids' schools, getting married, getting divorced.

It's more work energy demand on ourselves. And so this is just another transition that the retirement of the ovaries is another transition that's adding more work to our lives. We can only handle so much. If we've been burning the candle at both ends, if the other systems in the body are already taxed because we haven't been functioning, balls are gonna start dropping.

Maybe that's a good way of putting 

Leisha: , that makes so much sense. , I love a couple of your analogies, but one of them is, the crashing [00:12:00] waves versus a calm day right at the beach. It's like that can happen anytime with your hormones, whether you're in perimenopause or not.

You can have this smooth transition between phases versus just feeling like you're on a rollercoaster all the time. It really is about the foundations of where your body is being supported and transitions are going to tax those foundations. So being

able to say Hey, I know what to go back to and I know what to do to support my body because I've been doing this for a long time, is a huge gift to be able to go through those transitions better.

Even just as , a kind of practical example. I know now. That when we are moving, like you said, moving houses, I'm gonna be under more stress. But instead of just using that as a time to say okay, I'm just gonna be stressed and I'm probably gonna feel bad. It's because I'm under more stress, I know that I need more support. Same thing with like when my period is about to come because my body is in a transition phase, I know I need more support. And what that means is that I can plan ahead to be like. I'm gonna [00:13:00] do some simple things to help support myself and take a few things off my plate

or feel fine about leaving those things just off the plate altogether. Because it's a transition, because it's a season. So I think that's really helpful to just see, this whole perimenopause, menopause journey as that, as like a transition phase.

Bria: It's super empowering, I think when you look at it, because you can be more strategic about your individual needs and you can be more self-compassionate about it as well. You're like, oh, this is, you know what it is. And I, and like you were saying, I could lean on just being like, there's nothing I can do about it.

Oh, no. Or some people lean on more numbing, more negative, maybe we drink more alcohol, maybe we fuel with more caffeine. Maybe we lean into habits that soothe for short term, but irritate long term. Or we can solidify the ground beneath us as best as possible so it doesn't feel like we're walking on a suspension bridge in a storm.

Leisha: I love that. Okay, so let's talk about when someone's going into perimenopause, menopause. [00:14:00] I also just see this scared. It's the opposite reaction of there's nothing I can do about this. But it's the reaction of like, I have to change everything.

I'm starting to have these symptoms now.

My hormones are different. I'm a completely different person and I've never met myself before.

Let's calm that down a little bit because I

know that's not true if you, especially if you have foundations to take care of your body, but even if you don't I just kinda wanna talk about the foundations of supporting yourself in that, and maybe there are some things that are different, but I think a lot of things are the same.

Bria: I think we've gotten very far away from the basic foundations. If we imagine, we kind of come back to that example of like, okay, I am going through a transition so there's a greater demand on my body. What are the key pillars of health that my body and really all bodies need?

So there's a lot of customization you and I were talking about before we even recorded, and we'll get to that. That makes us very unique in bio individual. But what I believe is not different for pretty much all living things. You can look to wild animals, you can look to all humans. Is that we [00:15:00] need.

Kind of four foundational pieces of health. And if these are locked in, not only does it make this journey more smooth, but it also allows us to get really clear on what part we can support after that. And I look at those kind of four pillars as one, obviously consistency with sleep. A lot of people are like, but I can't sleep.

I'm like, okay, but you can hold space for sleep. So what you do leading up to bedtime, what time your bedtime is, what time you get outta bed, and what you do right away when you wake up. If we hold space for some consistency regularly, not all the time, that's a really key pillar. All wild animals watch your dog or your.

They sleep, right? They have a lot of a very consistent pattern there, and they hold space for it. So we nurture the body again like it's a baby, right? We do this for our children, functional movement first before fitness. I've got a lot of clients coming from a fitness background who are out doing these really.

Intense workouts, but they're not even walking seven to 10,000 [00:16:00] steps a day, and that's just functional movement. We now have a lot of sedentary jobs, I would assume yours is like mine, where I do a lot of sitting talking to clients. So I have to consciously move my body in a functional way. I have to stretch it and expand it because I'm just sitting in the same position all the time.

So functional movement. First and make sure we have those pieces and that the body's getting its basic need. And we see that in animals. They move every day. They walk around. Our dogs need walks. I think foundational nutrition, there's so many fancy ways to eat, before we get fancy and know what works for us, we have to have foundations.

So let's start by eating three to four meals a day, which is what we were taught when we were kids. It's what we do for our kindergartners, making sure that there's a balance in each of those, and really paying attention. Did I eat enough? Because you'll know everyone off once, and I'm sure you have this too, people wanna know.

How much should I eat? I'm like, I don't know. Your body knows. You have to eat [00:17:00] your breakfast, eat, and then pay attention over the next three to four hours to how your body responds to that meal. If it's still hungry, you didn't eat enough at breakfast for your energy demand. So we have to pay attention and not go blindly after what other people are doing.

Let's bring it back to these kindergarten basics of okay, let's eat my three meals. Let's make sure there's enough to keep me full and satisfied to the next meal. Make sure there's a balance. The last piece I think is pleasure. But pleasure is tied very closely to stress because it's very hard to have fun or find joy if you're really stressed.

But animals in all over the world are animals like domesticated and wild. They find joy and pleasure, whether it's. Sex or whether it's playfulness. We find that every day, and it's a critical part of our energy source and our body in stress reduction. Those four things have to be happening, I think as no matter what.

It's almost like brushing our teeth most days, and I think we've gotten really far away from that. But women who do those things and [00:18:00] do those things, well have much gentler symptoms in perimenopause into menopause.

I will say much better results when they, if they have issues, much better results with the tactics we need to do to bring the hormones back into balance.

If they're off.

Leisha: Absolutely. And I find the same thing. I find that for so many of us, those foundations are just not there. And we don't even realize it. We're like, yeah, I'm eating healthy.

, I haven't eaten anything bad this week. And it's like, well, have you eaten anything? At all?

Have you been eating though?

Because

we're just focused on I didn't eat junk food. I don't eat fast food. And it's like, okay, but , do you eat good food?

 let's actually talk about that. What is that actually looking like for you? Because so much of the time, we can be skipping that without even realizing it.

And I love what you said about pleasure because I think that this feels optional, right? Especially when we get into motherhood, it's not only our societal messaging that motherhood is hard and it's busy and you have to sacrifice, which is those can all be [00:19:00] true,

but also I think we self-sabotage in so many ways where our

kids find joy and pleasure in the most simple things and we can be present with them and enjoy that with them. They love it. My kids are still all under 10. They love it when I play with them, but much of the time we're too busy, we have too many things on our plate, or when we're not busy, all we wanna do is numb. All we wanna do is be by ourselves.

We don't wanna be, interacting we're too tired. I just wanna say that I do think that those foundations of. Sleep and eating and moving your body gently. Those all allow you to have more pleasure because you're not as drained. And then there's gonna be just habits and things that you can put into place as well.

But something that can be in that realm of pleasure too is just like time for creativity because you're not going to be in a creative space when you're in fight or flight. Even just. [00:20:00] Finding some space for creativity, whether that's with your kids, by yourself, whatever that looks like. I have done some things lately that I'm like, this is very elementary level because I'm not an artist by any means.

I've done these little watercolor paintings that are truly so simple and they have almost a little plastic over them, so you can't do them wrong. It feels good. I still made a flower painting, whether or not I could have done it wrong, , Or something like that, that is just like, you know what, maybe this doesn't feel worthy of my time because it's not gonna turn out beautiful,

?

We have this perception that it's only worth doing if it's productive

or it's only worth doing if it's completely mind numbing.

There's gotta be a balance there.

Bria: Absolutely. I love that you shared that because I think that you're right. We don't often feel like pleasure is deserved because it's not productive. So many of us as women have really tied our worth to our productivity. However, I see women asking Olympic levels of [00:21:00] output, of productivity of their bodies every single day.

Not treating themselves like an Olympian. Olympians have someone cooking for them, often they have massage therapy happening. They have, energy healing. They have very clear cross training off seasons, different times because pleasure is very productive. And that's something we have to start opening our minds to.

And on that note, I think these foundations. Don't seem sexy or quick , and they're not marketable. That's why we don't hear them the same way. And people are like, wah, wah. I think when we see them coming up in our feeds, but they're the thing that you're not doing. If these things are not happening regularly in your life, that's where we have to start because we cannot build health on a shaky ground and this is the ground of our health.

Leisha: I love this. I think that it's just so encouraging too, because this is attainable, right? It's not like, okay, once you hit perimenopause, you have [00:22:00] to do these specific workouts every single day. Only these workouts, you can only eat these foods. You

have to follow this strict routine or else you'll have a terrible time, that's not what we're saying at all. And yet I think that does sell, right? Because they're like, okay, this is like this strict checklist that I can. Essentially torture myself with to get what I want. But I think that the message that I really want to come across here is sometimes we don't have to do things the hard way.

I'm not saying that these foundations are always easy because sometimes they're not easy, but they are simple and they do become routine and they do become intuitive once you. Are connected with them and you figure out what's working for your body. But what is fancy and what is marketable and what everyone thinks they need in perimenopause. Is progesterone supplementation and hormone replacement therapy in general, but we're really not gonna go into that. But I just wanna talk about progesterone supplementation because it is something that some women can do over the counter on their own. And I [00:23:00] just, honestly, what I wanna talk about is the misconceptions around that really quick. So anyone who's like, okay, I just need to eat food, and then I probably should also supplement with progesterone. let's just talk about that. I'm not saying it's always wrong. But I'm also, I think that it can be amis a lot of times and it can be not helping you as much as you think.

Bria: Totally. It's like how a broken clock is, right two times of the day, if you just throw supplements out into the world at people and market them, it's going to work for some people, and for the rest of us women, when it doesn't work, we're gonna think of. It's our fault or something is wrong with us.

And I think that's really the deeper damage of this. Let's do something without testing, without looking more deeply. I think hormones can be very beneficial, but. Not without knowing whether you need them and whether your body can receive them. There's this initial challenge I see with taking hormones where, people think, oh, I just need more production because [00:24:00] I'm at this age.

And like you said, maybe that's true, however. There's more to hormones in our body than just production. There's the production piece am I producing enough? Which you may or may not be. We can need to test to know. And then there's absorption and metabolization of those hormones. So if we haven't looked deeper into our own bodies to know.

Am I absorbing these hormones? Am I metabolizing these hormones? Adding more to the mix can actually do nothing, which I think is emotionally damaging for us as women or cause more problems to the body. I am not a believer and I think it's very dangerous to supplement with hormones and most supplements without knowing for sure that you need them.

I'm a big believer in tests, don't guess, so that we know what the body needs. 'Cause otherwise I think, you know, talk about wasting money. You could just be wasting money, taking things that you're not even absorbing into your body and urinating them out, or creating more damage. 

Leisha: And [00:25:00] then you think oh, okay, it must not be progesterone. Maybe my progesterone's fine. And it's like we never knew anything from that because. , It can just be absorbed and used so differently in the body.

Bria: Yeah, absolutely. And although all women are different if your sex hormones are off, production is off before late forties, we really need to ask why are your hormones off, why are your ovaries not producing enough progesterone?

Because the answer is not, oh, they've just shut down. It's like they usually don't have what they need to do that. And that's where we need to get to first. We gotta get down deeper to that root cause. Otherwise again, it's just one of these things where we're blindly trying things and.

It might, may have worked for your neighbor, Janet, but she's that , the clock that stopped. She's one of the times that it stopped. Well, On that day. we have to really, I think as women ask more questions and start to know ourselves and it's a really beautiful, empowering thing and I understand it [00:26:00] requires a time investment and often a financial investment.

I think for most people the challenge is a time investment more than anything,. The biggest message I wanna just always spread to women is added energy demand of this hormonal shift is really , again, that gift that you didn't want, but that you need because it is highlighting the stuff that is not working in your body so that you pay attention and do the work now to fix it.

I don't know what you, Leisha, but I intend to live to a hundred. So I'm 43. I've got like more than half my life ahead of me, and I wanna feel really good doing that. And I have a lot to accomplish now that I'm not figuring out who I am and having babies. There's a lot that can happen in the next 40, 50 years of my life and I wanna be here for it.

So go after it hard right now to figure yourself out.

Leisha: I love that so much. I love that. And I think that we need more of the. Real basic [00:27:00] things to come back to versus so much of the rabbit trails and the supplements and the, all of it. And I, some of it can be helpful. I've, found some good things in that. But again, the foundations are so important, so I love having this conversation.

And let's just recap where everyone can find you. So the Period Whisperer podcast, I know that is a great resource. She has so many episodes there, but where else can they find you?

Bria: That's one of the best places. I also hang out a lot on Instagram at Bria_period_Whisperer, and there's links to all the websites and the things there that you want, 

but that's where you're gonna get, I think, a lot of value between those two places.

Leisha: Okay, awesome. Thank you so much for doing this with me, Bria.

Bria: Thanks, Leisha.