E253: The 6 (Non-Supplement) Things We Did To Shift Our Health In 2025 As Hormone Coaches With Dr. Heather Rhodes

We’re back today with a reflection that we’ve been thinking about this week - what have we done in 2025 that really moved the needle for our health - mentally, spiritually, and physically? 

I brought my hormone bestie, Heather, on today so we could share some of the things that we are so glad we learned and implemented this year to keep us moving forward in health and life. Spoiler alert - nothing I’m sharing is a favorite supplement or “health hack”, they’re all more nuanced than that. 

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Here are a few moments you’ll hear us unpack:

• How prayer and community reshaped our nervous systems and stress responses
• A belief we had to unlearn before our bodies could respond differently
• One small shift that didn’t feel important at the time, but changed everything over the months

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Today I have my friend, Dr. Heather here, and we are talking about the three things we learned in 2025 that impacted our health the most. 

Leisha: [00:00:00] Hey friends, welcome back. I have my friend, Dr. Heather Rhodes here, and we wanted to just take a minute and reflect over our last year. And so we were talking about the things that we have done for our health this year that have made the biggest difference, and we wanna share that with you and just give you the behind the scenes of what we've been. learning and going through, and, trying on ourselves in the realm of health, but we're talking mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical health. This is gonna go through all of those things. So welcome Heather. I'm glad you're here.

Heather: I am excited for this episode, so thanks for having me, and me having you, because I think this will be on my show too. 

Leisha: yes. Thank you for us having each other. , it's great to have life to do with you. What we're gonna do is , we're gonna talk about three things for each of us, but we're just gonna go back and forth because we've been doing life together all year long.

And so some of these are gonna be the same. And, some of Heather's, we've been doing a lot of the same things, but we each thought of three things to share. So we're just gonna [00:01:00] start that way. For me, I would say, when I'm just sitting here thinking for, three minutes about 2025. One of the biggest changes for me has been really diving deeper into prayer, and the year started for me, kind of how I thought it would, and then pretty quickly by the end of January, just really I like felt like things were spinning out of control, and I have. Received some words from the Lord in several different ways that , actually there was never any danger and I'm really still working on my body believing that, but I just wanna speak that back over the year that everything that has gone on in my life with our health, with, stress and all of the things that have happened, that they have been in the Lord's hands and , that he has been just calling me. Closer and [00:02:00] calling me into submission and into prayer in such a different way than I ever have before. And maybe I've just been listening in a different way. Heather and I both did a prayer mentorship at the beginning of the year. That changed a lot for me about how I saw prayer, how I saw the power of prayer, and even just understood how to intercede differently and how to go deeper. Some of it. Has been about , going into the realm of deliverance and into the realm of going to the courts of heaven and some of these things that are more almost like results based or action based. But it's also been learning to stop and sit there and ask the Lord to say something to me or to show me something and then. Learning to sit there long enough to hear something or to have a heart posture that has been open to hearing. And it has been honestly just so encouraging and so refreshing and there's been so much clarity [00:03:00] and being able to do that and hear from the Lord and then have it confirmed in a different way.

 Sometimes that has looked like more of Something coming to mind like the Lord speaking to me in that way. And a lot of times it's come through taking the time to really dive into scripture as well. Because as much as I have always, I'll say, read my Bible and prayed. It has been a lot of times, I think just more surface level than I thought it was, where it's like just checking the boxes versus my spirit being fed or really. connecting spirit to spirit with the Lord and with Holy Spirit. I think that just the whole year, just slowly but surely, having these reminders to come back and be in his presence and to ask again for things that we're desiring in our lives and to ask him. what he wants us to know, what he wants us to do. It's been a really sweet and hard journey. but it's been really cool [00:04:00] because my husband has been in it with me and Heather's been in it with me, like we have been doing this together too. and even Heather's husband has been in it with us, we've been, we've spent time praying together as couples as well. I would say that that has affected my health and mental health in a very positive way, because I think that as much as I don't always feel like things are happening the way I want them to, and there's still, they're still spiraling often enough, I just, I have something to ground myself on in a different way than I did before, and being able to come back to the Lord and hear him say, Peace be still and be able to feel that wash over my body instead of just continuing in what I'm trying to do. continuing in the belief of what is happening in the physical is the only thing happening. So that's my intro on that. Do you have anything you wanna add, Heather, to that piece?

Heather: I. Was a big one for both of us. and it [00:05:00] was, I think a lot of what we're gonna talk about and we're gonna bounce back and forth from spiritual things to practical things to, this well-rounded kind of view of what are the things we felt made the biggest difference this year?

And I think it's helpful just to provide a tiny bit of this background information that there are two very large things that you and I and our families and husbands collectively are contending for. And it's miracles that can only be done supernaturally. And they're both related to health and there are things that you, and I feel like, wait a second, we should be able to fix this.

We should be able to know how this works. We should be able to see this result happen. This prayer component, I feel like has shifted so much of breaking that down. but also it's this really beautiful, like parallel in that we're asking for almost completely different things, but we're seeing the same pattern show up in each other and hearing the Lord talk to us about each other and it's just really cool.

And I think that a practical takeaway from that is. sometimes you [00:06:00] might think that you need a community of someone who's going through the same thing as you, someone who gets it because they're experiencing the same thing you are. But I think there's so much commonality in the things we experience and the patterns, and I think having a partner who will partner with you in the spirit, that's able to not just listen and pray for you, but also to see what you maybe can't see, and that reflection be something that changes their own life in prayer life and what they're contending for.

It is really beautiful. And so a couple like practical things around the prayer piece that you just talked about I think would be helpful for our listeners. The first is, something that we both experienced. I think I experienced it last year, but you this year around. Understanding Holy Spirit, praying for a feeling of the Holy Spirit, allowing the Holy Spirit to come and start changing your prayer life, asking for a prayer language.

all of those things were huge. The courts was another big one, which you mentioned, but I think just to add a little context to that, it's [00:07:00] something , I've briefly talked about on my show, but. Essentially we stepped into this year, probably both of us, more so than ever, really believing that we live in a spiritual world, and that what's happening physically is only a reflection of what's actually happening spiritually.

So the physical is just a manifestation of these spiritual and emotional roots. And so we believe that there's truly a spiritual realm that includes a spiritual court system that has stuff to do with bloodlines and territory and land and all the things the Bible actually reflects. But that sometimes we think is stuck in Bible times.

But really it's this reflection of how the spirit world is working. And so with the courts, we started petitioning the father and we did read, like I read the Courts of Heaven book by Henderson. . So that's a good resource for you guys if you're like, wait, what are they talking about? and it talks about how we can enter the courts of heaven and ask the father for mercy and rulings and.

repentance and relinquishment over things that can shift what's happening [00:08:00] in the spirit world because there's actually a legal system in the spirit. The other thing, I have gone through a prayer course right now with our church and something that has spoken so deeply to me and we've started doing it in our home, is praying the Bible.

So what does it look like to actually pray? Through the Bible and not just read Bible verses as a prayer, but to start learning how to pray the Bible and hold the power of repeating back to the Lord what his word says, and then letting the Holy Spirit guide you through different pieces of Bible verses and things like that.

It's something that I've gotten mentorship in this year that. I'll be figuring out how the Lord wants me to pour it out into other people to start doing that. But I even did that with my son last night. during our, we do five minutes of prayer, five minutes of worship, five minutes of listening as a family collectively in the evenings.

And so we did that for prayer and teaching him like, Hey, this is how you can pray the Bible back to God, but also how your prayers can hold power when you don't know necessarily [00:09:00] how to pray. and then , the last thing I'll say about the prayer piece is the pressing in because you just mentioned this and sometimes I think we pray and there's two pieces to pressing in.

I think it's your posture and then I think it is truly be willingness to sit when it feels like nothing's happening, when you feel like you're not hearing anything. and the posture, I think is something we learned in the mentorship, which is understanding your identity and your authority. For example, with a lot of our fertility clients, when you're praying for a baby, I know for me specifically, I spent years just being like, God, give us a baby.

God tell us what to do. God, how do we get a baby God? And he's like, no, you come to me with a position of authority and you don't come with a, there's like a desperation of our black, but not a desperation. That's like victim hood. I think when we're praying for healing and we're asking for healing, there's a posture there of him being a good father and us being submitted to his will, and also not just like begging for things we think he should be giving us, which is something , admittedly was a huge part of my prayer [00:10:00] life until the last two years.

, Did you have anything on top of that for the prayer piece?

Leisha: The one thing that I wanted to say was I think that sometimes the fruit that we expect from prayer. Is not the same as the fruit we get first.

And this actually really aligns with how I see my clients' results sometimes is like they come to me because their period hurts and that is the only thing that they want fixed. Or that's the biggest thing, right?

And so much of the time that. Definitely happens, and it may not be the first thing that shifts, their energy might shift first. Their anxiety, their moods, their, gut, so many other things shift

because even though this is the main problem that they're facing or seeing, there are so many other things that need to move first.

When we have been praying for these miracles all year long and we've seen shifts and we've seen. Blessings. And we've seen the Lord like holding us in all of this. [00:11:00] Sometimes the fruit is not what you think it will be yet. and some of the fruit that we have seen is in our ability to honestly just see how the Lord is working, even when it's not what we think it will be, because we can see his hand in so many things. Learning to, not only just accept that, but be so grateful for that because he's hearing us and he's with us it can be so easy to miss those moments. I've missed so many of them, but then in hindsight, I'm able to be like, okay, Lord. I see that you were here and I don't know why. Something still happened that I didn't like, but it happened better than, it went the best it could possibly go that kind of thing. And it's like, okay, I see you here and so what are you teaching me? how do I just come to you in that and thank you and be your child and still keep pressing in for the miracle.

and I've seen so much fruit . Our relationships too with that. And even just the, the other thing that I had thought of when you were [00:12:00] talking, I loved how you wrapped all of these things up and made them a little bit more tangible. But another thing is my, I wanna say confidence in praying for other people has changed too.

Where if you had asked me to pray for you before, I absolutely would have, but it would've been pretty basic. and just kind of like, okay,help so-and-so's leg or whatever. I think just that, the confidence to press in for someone else and be like, they need prayer and I will go to battle for them and I'm willing to, just that willingness has changed and maybe the ability to do that has changed.

I think that that has been such a blessing too, because there's something so fruitful about being able to pray for someone else and honestly so encouraging when you see those prayers. Answered in the way you want or the way you expected, even if your prayers are not yet. there's just so much proof of goodness in that I think.

Heather: Yeah, so prayer and community was a big. Theme and with people. So stay tuned for some ways to do that in 26.

Leisha: That was

a really, really big one for us this year. I think that's why that one's so long, [00:13:00] but some of the other ones will be

Heather: No, it is a big one. But something else you said that I think is huge, even take it for next year, is the gratitude piece. And sometimes like how can you practice gratitude for things that look like they really suck? One thing my husband and I started saying was like, okay. every time this happens, which is a sign to us that our miracle hasn't happened yet, or every time something bad happens or something that feels like a setback happens, we're just gonna start being really grateful for it.

And we're gonna fast in like thankfulness to the Lord around it. So that way the devil can't keep using it. And eventually he'll just get mad and be like, I'm not gonna keep doing that, because every time I do, they just give God glory for it. And it's like, yeah, take that Satan.

Leisha: Yeah, I

like that. okay.

I need to I need to , think of how that relates to me because it's really

Heather: Yeah. Okay. So the next one for me, it's kind of a two-parter, prayer's obviously a big one. I have some other things that are a big one, but just for y'all listening, I'm gonna go into something a little bit more exciting per se. I just shouldn't say it's exciting, but. [00:14:00] It's just different that we did this year and I did a lot.

This was the first time I actually invested time, money, and energy into working on my relationship with sex and money, both of which are extremely tied and connected to the womb. To feminine energy and to safety. these are big pieces of healing that my clients experience and anybody who is experiencing hormone problems at all, basically, I really do align with the thought process that there is stagnation and stuckness in your body around your womb if your hormones, your fertility.

Are out of whack, are crazy, are causing problems if your periods are painful, if you have no libido, if you are having these crazy PMS crashes. If you're having trouble with conception or secondary conception, I just really . Feel so strongly that like, yes, there is a [00:15:00] stagnancy and stuckness in sexual energy, in emotions and in feminine energy and safety surrounded with those problems.

For me personally this year, by investing some time, some energy and some money into understanding what does it look like to learn more about these and how. my beliefs and my shapings and my stagnant energy in these areas has been influencing how I feel and my relationship and my motherhood and my marriage.

And then starting to actually actively work through and take apart some of the pieces and some of the roots and really dig into what's happening there. And doing that with support. I had mentorship in both of these areas this year. Having support, so I can do things that feel unsafe and that feel kind of like, uh, I don't know that I would just have thought to do this, but then have a place where someone can be like, Hey, yeah, you're on track.

That's how it's supposed to feel or be like, [00:16:00] Hey, I know you think that's gonna get you the result, but actually you should try this instead. My finance girl helps me so much with that because we had a plan of like. This is how Heather's gonna break this scarcity, lack mindset that kept coming up with finances.

I could submit them to the Lord, I could give, I could do all these things, but it's like this little route kept coming back that was pulling me back to this like, but we have to be efficient, but I don't deserve all of this stuff. But we need to spend this way. We need to spend this way and we need to prepare for this.

And it was just like this piece that I was not fully surrendering to the father. And it felt like it kept coming back and kept coming back. And that honestly, I found out now is rooted in Trauma. And it doesn't mean trauma in a sense. A lot of times we talk about trauma and I don't think it means like, oh, your parents did something that created trauma.

Our brains recognize things as trauma when we're little that truly might not be trauma. And then we have like big T trauma where we actually experience things we should not have experienced, so working through a lot of that has been really helpful and it's been great to [00:17:00] have that support because.

There's things I would've thought were gonna work. And then, my mentors have been like, that's not gonna work. And they've actually been right. Or things that I've been like, this is a win. This is what I did. And they're like, okay, I know why it feels like that because you got that little dopamine hit, but this is how I want you to do it next time so that you can have this long-term sustainable shift and change in this area for you.

so those, I would say were two really big ones. And then the fruit of that I see differently, or the fruit that I've seen is my marriage looks different, my motherhood looks different. I'm not perfect. I'm still very much in the very beginning stages of both of these things. Like one of them, I'm only three to four weeks into the other one I've been doing for a couple months.

I think that these are just some areas that sometimes we get so caught up in, again, the physical of what supplements do I take, what hormones do I test, what medicine do I use that we forget? Like, hey, those things are really helpful. And that could honestly be some very, very simple steps you need to take.[00:18:00] 

And these roots could be some big things that will open up some really beautiful doors for you. and on my show, we have some episodes. Number one around both of these topics, but number two, around some clients that have done this work and what that result actually looked for them and what that fruit looked like for them in the very practical day-to-day for them.

Leisha: Yeah. Well, and I think when we talk about sex and we talk about finances, both of those can be uncomfortable topics if we've been taught that they're uncomfortable

topics. I have this que I just have, women talk to me all the time. Clients who are like, my libido is terrible. Is there a supplement I can take for it? Or what will make

it better? And there are so many layers to this because it does come from your beliefs about everything. It comes from your beliefs about everything, to be honest. and your level of safety, your level of trust. there's so much that it comes down to that we have to understand. It's not just a like, oh, it must be my estrogen is this or [00:19:00] that, because. A lot of the time, especially as Christian women, we came from a culture of sex is something you never ever talk about. And then you're supposed to just be good at it when you get married and that's it. And it's like, well, that's unrealistic. And so many marriages are so unhappy because of that. so we are gonna have some resources on that for you soon. And we're working on those honestly. Let's move on to our next thing. So a second, or number two for me was just a theme of, again and again and again, the Lord bringing this to me in so many different ways through different people and podcasts and things, but just the power of our words over our lives in all the different layers. I'm gonna keep this focused, but some of the things that I have realized. biblically and , just like obvious world as well, it is so clear that the words, you are speaking over yourselves and your children and [00:20:00] your marriage are coming true. I'm just gonna start with children, but when we are speaking over our kids and we're saying like. You're disobeying, you're disrespectful, you're whatever, speaking these, you are statements over them, even if you mean it in like a way of trying to help them see what they're doing and change what we're speaking over them grows. What we're speaking over ourselves grows. I think that I can speak for myself and Heather, that both of us have had a lot of high expectations for ourselves in our whole lives. Which also comes along with a lot of guilt and shame when those expectations are not met and potentially negative self-talk of like, I should be doing this better. I should have been able to handle this. I should have done it differently. All of these things. And so really the biggest thing for me has been, there's been two things.

One, just observing myself in my own words and noticing. What's coming out of my mouth, even though I would have said, I'm [00:21:00] positive in my words, I'm not a victim, all these things, but some of the words that are coming out of my mouth do not align with that. And if I'm consistently in a mode of for example, complaining like my husband comes home and he's like, how was your day?

And all I can think of is all the things that I didn't like about it. those things are going to keep happening. If that's all I talk about. That's all I'm focused on, right? Just shifting something like that, but also really going into scripture and finding what God says is true about us, and asking him like, what is true about this situation?

What is true that I need to speak? And consistently speaking life over your day, over your children. And so I have a very, I'll say, formal way of doing this, and I shared about this on a couple podcasts recently. But I have a list of declarations that I have been speaking over myself every single day, speaking them out loud, trying to visualize them being true, what that means, and then trying to feel that in my body.

I told Heather right before we recorded this, sometimes I am [00:22:00] all in and I'm like, this is so good. I see it. I feel it. Yes, Lord, I believe this. And some days I'm like, this is a bunch of baloney. It does not feel true. It doesn't matter if it feels true. What we are speaking over ourselves does change our thought pathways.

And it takes 63 days, interestingly enough, to be able to change one of your neural pathways of a belief. And so consistency in this is so important. And it's not like you're speaking, differently over every single thing at once, but it's like, what's one area that you need to be speaking differently over?

I can see. These things change in myself and in others when I see them doing it. So that's just a little snapshot on words, but that has been a huge theme all year long, and I just feel so convicted to really keep leaning into that. Because even if we're speaking just a word, like I walk in ever increasing health every single day, my health is getting better. What does that look like and what does that there's power in just the words, but when you start to believe it, how do you [00:23:00] act differently when you're speaking something over yourself? Like, I'm walking in ever increasing health. When you start to believe that, okay, my health is better today than it was yesterday. How do I act then? what am I gonna take would do to take care of my body? That would be different if I was believing I'm unhealthy? I really like that from a practical perspective as well.

Heather: , I think that's so good. And that's a part of like, we teach the self-coaching model a lot of times people wanna change their actions, but they don't change their beliefs first. and something, I'm reading this book called Psycho-Cybernetics and it talks about how, like what.

Basically everything around results and failure or success comes back to self-image. And your self-image is what programs are subconscious. So it's been really popular, , and trendy in the health space to talk about nervous system and subconscious. And people are like, I'm trying to change my subconscious.

I'm trying to change my subconscious. But what they're missing is that your subconscious is driven by one thing only and it's your self image. So if you can imagine yourself differently. You can get different results. I literally [00:24:00] read in there last night that they, took a group of neurodivergent people, had them take a test, and then they told them, Hey, if you weren't neurodivergent, can you take this exact same test as someone who was normal?

And they took the test pretending to be someone that was normal and they all scored incredible, which tells you like, Hey, then are they truly neuro divergent or do they have the capacity? They just identify with this. It's very interesting when you get into it. Your imagination actually can't, your body can't tell the difference between a real lived experience and an imagined experience, which I think is such a gift the father gives us.

I don't think it's by accident. His name literally is, I am it's identity. and how the Lord always spoke things over people. That was not the identity they had, but it was the identity they ended up stepping into. I think it's him using this. Obviously he's using it because he created it like duh. But the way that our brains work in that way.

The other thing that's so interesting about number one, yes. this was a huge piece for us too. [00:25:00] I actually have been doing praying through the Lord just is consistently bringing this image to me of how in Isaiah, the angel takes the coal and burns the lips of Isaiah in his tongue and he is basically like consecrating and separating and submitting.

His words to the father. And I've been feeling this pull to do that, but then I'm like, I don't want to because I'm not gonna uphold my end of the bargain. Like I am not gonna be able to do what God is asking me to do in this realm. but I had a friend remind me, a mentor that like, Hey, when you make these covenants, when you submit things to the father, it's so that he can add protection for you, even though he knows you're gonna fall short.

And I'm like, I don't wanna fall short and I don't wanna say something I know I can't uphold, but. That's the whole point is that the angel did it for him, so the Lord does it for us. So we've been practicing that as a home. I've been working my kids through the same Bible study around our tongue and our words, and it's been really interesting.

if I say something to them like they are actually reminding me and calling me out and they're like, mom, it sounds like you're speaking death. And [00:26:00] I'm like, oh my gosh, you're right. Because everything is either life or death. I'm teaching them that and so they're helping me model it at the same time.

And that's something I was gonna mention. Everything we've talked about so far, fair sex, money, words, it is one thing to learn about those things and to do the work to change our beliefs. But the reason why our beliefs even are what they are is because things were modeled for us. Your parents could have taught you every single, right, perfect thing about money, sex, prayer.

But if it was not modeled for you as you grew up, you will have a dissonance. You will be modeling and doing the same things they did, even if what they taught you was something completely different. Our nervous systems and our patterning, and again, our subconscious, the way we actually learn and grow up and change is through modeling, not beliefs.

So it's great to do this work. With changing our beliefs and changing [00:27:00] our thought work, but we have to change. We have to change it, and we have to change our actions so that we start modeling it. And that's the really beautiful thing about the work all of you are doing if you're even listening to this podcast, you're doing work to better yourself.

And the reason why is because you're modeling something different for your kids, which means they are going to learn and be imprinted with what you're modeling, not with what you're saying. So by you healing your relationship with money and you healing your relationship with words and you healing prayer and sex, that and your marriage, what you model is actually what they absorb and take in not really what you say.

and so I think that's really cool for us. Leisha and I, we definitely struggle with this because we feel like we're learning it and we look really, I just think about learning to walk and I'm like, I feel like I'm a. 14 month old that takes a step and falls over and takes a step and falls over.

that's how this work has felt this year. And sometimes I think it feels like, I can't talk about it, or I can't be a leader in this way until I know how to walk. [00:28:00] But I think that's the beautiful thing the Lord gives us is just the grace to be like, you're gonna stumble but you're gonna keep going.

Leisha: And I'm right here. I love that we're doing this reflection 'cause it's reminding me of all the ways I've fallen short and what God says even about. Where we're going? Just one little quick piece on that is I think it's so easy. It can be so easy to hear that and be like, oh, what we're modeling is what our kids are learning and feel like. We're falling short in so many ways, and to be honest, we are we all are

because we're not God we are going to fall short and being able to take responsibility for the areas where we want to model better and slowly but surely work on it, the fact that actually does make a difference, not only for us, but for our kids.

that's a blessing. And so I really choose to look at it that way when my brain starts to say like, the thing you're doing wrong. It's going to affect your kids in all of these bad ways. It's like, you know what I'm going to make it better, little by little [00:29:00] and I have the opportunity to do that.

And kids are so resilient. They're so resilient, so forgiving, so I'm so thankful for that.

Heather: And that's something that hit on something. I feel like the Lord's worked with me so much the last six months every decision, every supplement, every program. Everything I do with the kids, I'm like, I need to pray about it, make sure it's right. I need to pray about it, make sure it's right.

And I really felt like the Lord has given me this image of a toddler that just runs and they have so much joy and so much freedom and they're just like, I'm gonna go. And is there danger in that? Yes. But what does a good father do? He's right there to course correct and to make sure they don't go too far and to make sure they don't run in the road.

And I'm not saying You shouldn't still pray through decisions, but I think I was making that almost an idol that was keeping me so stuck and helping me feel so comfortable to just not move until I knew I heard it from the Lord and I really felt like he revealed to me of that is not the freedom I offer you.

I want you to go and to do and to be and to chase after everything I'm speaking and giving to you. And as long as you are submitted and in [00:30:00] obedience and responsive, when you hear my voice, I'm a good father who keeps up with you, who pushes you when you're running into the street, who slowed you down when you need to be slowed down.

, That's actually the way we learn. And I think sometimes I bring perfectionism into it of like, I wanna make the right choice and I don't wanna disappoint. And that's fine, but I feel like the Lord can teach us so much more faster when we are operating in that freedom. And that submitted.

It's like having the equal hand of both. All right. What was your third thing?

Leisha: My third was specifically in the physical health, was just staying consistent with the small things and listening to my body throughout this year. So specifically, a couple things that I feel have been more challenging than usual have been, eating consistently, which is, my basic pillar of everything I talk about.

Right? And, In seasons of high stress, sometimes I really struggle with my appetite. And so there have been seasons where I'm like, okay, even if I don't want to eat [00:31:00] breakfast, I know this is going to help me, so how can I make it work? So even just the accountability with myself that instead of saying, oh, it's just a stressful week. It'll be fine. I'll go back to it later. Knowing my pillars and knowing what is so important for my body has been really helpful. And then with exercise specifically too, I have been a little bit up and down with exercise this year in different ways because sometimes I feel like working out harder. Is negative for me, depending on my sleep or my stress or my mineral levels. And honestly, sometimes it is the best thing for my body and my mind to be able to do a good hard workout and replenish, make sure that I'm eating well before and after and things like that,to help with my stress and just help me, feel better. And so I've been able to listen, I believe really well to my body this year. Just know that things are gonna shift in different weeks, in different seasons with my cycle, with, different seasons of life. That has been something that [00:32:00] I really believe has helped my health stay stable. Not because I've done it perfectly, but because I've just stayed consistent and because I've listened to my body.

Instead of just have a list of what I should do or what I think can be really easy is just let it all go by the wayside because something else feels more important. and so I think, physically that has been the biggest thing, and it's not me saying, it's, certain supplements, it's not a red light device. It's not anything that you can buy, it's just consistency with taking care of yourself at a basic level that I feel like goes by the wayside so often.

Heather: You were talking and I was like, is there a device or a supplement or something I did this year, bought this year that I did feel like made like a huge difference in my life. the only thing I can think of, which kind of goes along with what you were saying is I got a brick.

Do you have one? Do you have one of those?

Leisha: no. I thought you were gonna say your paras.

Heather: Oh yeah. I'm gonna talk about that too. But the brick was a big one. You said device. So I was thinking like device. we have a red light [00:33:00] device. It's been great. We bought a vibrating plate. I actually sent it back because it felt like my head was gonna fall off, but I think it's 'cause I got a cheap one because my kids loved it.

They went nuts. but I might do a rebounder instead. And then, yeah, the brick has been really, really helpful. If I had to sum up my final things, it's still a two-parter. so one is definitely, I really enjoyed learning about muscle testing, practicing muscle testing, utilizing it on some clients.

Utilizing it for my home and my family. I feel like that's something I'm gonna bring into 26. I don't know that I'm like, yes, this made the biggest difference in 25, but it laid some foundations I'm excited about. For 25, we'll do a part two episode of the things we're taking into 26 and the things we see that are like trends in 26 and what we think about 'em.

So y'all stay tuned for that. That's our part too. but the parasite cleanse was probably like up there. I did one, my husband did one. I have two clients that are actually going through it now. Leisha did the same one. I got [00:34:00] the cleanse I got because Leisha recommended it. And y'all like doing iron copper work, donating blood and doing this parasite cleanse has, I feel like my body doesn't even know who it is going into 26.

I know there's so much more available, so it's hard for me to like put into words, but I saw so many parasites come out. Mine was all like liver flutes and stuff. My husband saw a lot of results from that. the blood stuff I think was so helpful. Even this underlying glow to my skin that I felt was so missing I think was because I had so much iron stuck in tissues and like my husband did too.

I wouldn't recommend doing like donating blood or doing these things without the proper foundation in place. I have a few podcast episodes on our parasite cleanse on the foundations for parasite cleanse. on the spiritual and emotional side of parasite stuff, I always tell people like, I think it's so closely paired with prayer and deliverance for it to actually remove the parasites.

 parasites are legit. [00:35:00] They're a big thing. They're a real thing. They're a huge part of what we're doing with our clients. In 26, at least for me and my clients, it was some of the things that got the best results in 25. So we're definitely taking in kind of like a lifestyle around parasite cleansing, next year.

And I think that's because the iron copper work and the parasite cleansing was a huge. Apart physically and probably emotionally and spiritually too of 25 because I did a lot of deliverance with the parasite cleans. yeah. And then I think the emotional side of the parasite cleans is actually what you just talked about.

It's our words. Our words are parasitic. They're stealing, steal, kill, destroy. When our words do those three things, it is literally the same things parasites do. Parasites are there to steal the nutrients to hide. be sneaky and take away the health or the destiny that your body has. I think that's actually like a physical manifestation of what we've been talking about with the words, the word side of things.

Leisha: [00:36:00] and that's all like a manifestation of the work of the enemy too. Steal, kill and destroy.

Heather: But he gets access to do it. I think a lot of times through our words, at least for me and my family, our words are like the top thing that the Lord is just constantly providing discipline in, because I think that's one of the top ways the enemy is getting access in our home.

Leisha: Okay, so let's end this with each of us just sharing a gratitude for the year as a whole. Clearly all of these things are things that we've learned and that we're grateful for and we're working on. But I just wanna say like overall for this year, the biggest thing that I am thankful for is just the feeling that I have been held so well by God. With him and through family and friends that have just made such a difference in being able to navigate this year, being able to learn, being able to grow, and being able [00:37:00] to have a sense of safety. And I just know that he's provided so many of the right people at the right times and brought them. To me with a word of encouragement, or, a latte or warm blanket, whatever it is, right? that is definitely the biggest thing that I'm thankful for. And another, just the other huge piece is. Even though this year has brought a lot of health challenges for my son that I never thought we would have because I always thought I was just doing everything right and that things would turn out how I wanted them to. the Lord has protected him and preserved him and he is just fine. He is just fine. Even though so many times it has felt like he wasn't going to be. And so that is a huge praise report that I just want to publicly say. Even in the midst of all of the things that have felt really hard.

Heather: So good. I feel like for me it is that the Lord is number one really patient because I feel like I am not. And his continual pursuit [00:38:00] and his continual grace. this time last year, Leisha, you were, yeah, probably to the day, like this time last year in December was when I had what they call the dark night of the soul, where I was like, is any of this even real?

is God even real? Is he trustworthy? Is he true? Can I even believe any of this that I've built everything on? Because I felt so betrayed and abandoned and what, how could he allow, what we experienced to happen and are we just making all of this up? And the fact that even when I said really hard things of like I don't even wanna repeat them, but it was just like this huge questioning and doubt of the father and who he was and what he does.

And. I feel like it lasted probably a week, which isn't super long. But I just think that I was able to do that and he came after me like number one quickly, which I think is such a blessing. And number two, persistently, [00:39:00] and he's been there with every turn and it's not like he was like, okay, you don't trust me.

Fine. Go figure it out, because that's a little bit of how I would've responded to me at the time. and he's just so gracious and he's gone, he's taken me so much deeper, so much faster. And sometimes it feels like it's slow. And I look back and I'm like, man, he did a lot of work. and so I think there's that.

And I think there's also, man, I'm so grateful that we don't have to be perfect. I'm grateful that our miracles don't depend on us figuring it out on. Us not speaking death over our bodies that our miracles depend on nothing but him. And I'm so grateful that he does things supernaturally that we can just know and trust and be like, you're the guy that will literally get someone without a uterus pregnant.

You are the God that can do absolutely anything and. Honestly, we can't mess it up. And that feels like a hard thing to say because my brain, even when I say that I have resistance because my brain is like, well, technically you could, you know, like that [00:40:00] little mean girl in there. and so I'm just really grateful that those are the things we get to know are true about God.

And then we get to decide our true about God, and then we get to build our lives as if they're true about God. And so that would be mine.

Leisha: That's so good. Thank you for doing this with me. Thank you for doing this year with me.

Heather: Thank you. 

Leisha: It feels like goodbye, but it's not.

Heather: see you next year.

Okay, cool. So you guys come back for part two, we're gonna be talking about what's happening in the health space. Spoiler alert, peptide is on the list, AI is on the list. there are some things we gotta chat about. And then what are some things the Lord's told us to take into 2026? so that ultimately what he wants done gets done.

And if the demons try to take over, we aren't susceptible to, just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding.

Leisha: All right. I think that's enough. For today, Heather, I'm cutting you off. All right, bye girls. See you next week.