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E265: Decoding Your PMS - What’s Normal And What’s A Red Flag

Leisha Drews, RN, FDN-P, holistic hormone coach, period expert

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If taking a supplement was the magic fix for PMS, wouldn’t we all be feeling amazing by now, right?

In this episode, I’m breaking down PMS in a straightforward way. Not every change before your period is a problem. Some shifts in mood, energy, or appetite are completely normal. But there’s also a point where PMS becomes your body’s way of saying something deeper is off.

The real issue often isn't just your hormones. It’s all about looking at the bigger picture of what your brain and body are experiencing every day. When your system is constantly stressed, depleted, or unsafe, maintaining hormonal balance becomes much harder.

You’ll learn:

  • What mild PMS looks like when hormones are functioning well 
  • Symptoms that indicate deeper stress or imbalance 
  • How stabilizing minerals and blood sugar can be more effective than random supplements

One of my favorite moments recently was a client telling me that her kids said, “Mom, you’re being silly again, like you used to.”

That’s the real goal. Not just fewer symptoms, but feeling like yourself again - laughing more, having the energy and patience for your family, and moving through your cycle without just trying to survive half the month.

The good news is that these changes often start with much simpler steps than most women expect. Tune in to learn how to get there.

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This podcast is for women and moms to learn how to balance hormones naturally in motherhood, to have pain-free periods, increased fertility, to decrease PMS mood swings, and to increase energy without restrictive diet plans. You'll learn how to balance blood sugar, increase progesterone naturally, understand the root cause of estrogen dominance, irregular periods, PCOS, insulin resistance, hormonal acne, post birth-control syndrome, and conceive naturally. We use a pro-metabolic, whole food, root cause approach to functional women's health and focus on truly holistic health and mind-body connection.

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Today we are decoding your PMS and finding out what your PMS is telling you and what's normal versus a red flag.

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Today we are talking about PMS and I am really excited for this episode because we are going to dive into PMS and decode your PMS symptoms and help you understand what is normal versus what is a red flag.

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And when I say red flag, I mean red flag for your health overall, for your

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sanity right now and just for inflammation in the body and not feeling safe in your own body.

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And these are all things that are really, really common when it comes to PMS.

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But we're going to talk about what's really okay to have a symptoms and probably not a big deal versus what really is the red flag.

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And even if you're kind of like more in the okay camp, but you don't like your symptoms, there's something we can do about it.

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And we're going to talk about that too.

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So I'm going to start by just defining PMS.

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because I think that sometimes I do get a little in the weeds and I know that some of you have been here a long time and you're like here for it and some of you are newer and like it would be helpful to define some things.

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And so what I will say is if you are newer to the podcast, I have a couple of resources for you that I would love for you to grab right now.

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So one of them is we have a, essentially like a happily hormonal podcast cheat sheet.

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And if you are here because of PMS, we have some of our top PMS episodes to help you understand the framework of what we do here.

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We have specific episodes for painful periods.

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We have specific episodes for energy, blood sugar balance.

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And all you need to do is go to the link in the show notes and download that happily hormonal cheat sheet and it will give you essentially a list of these are the episodes that you need to start with.

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Also, even easier, we have the Simply Nourish Cycles free podcast that is 3 episodes long and we'll walk you through in about 20 minutes.

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what is normal with your hormones, what you need to know to make changes, and what you can do to start simplifying.

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So both of those resources are free.

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They're in the show notes.

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All you need to do is sign up.

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Okay, but let's define PMS.

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PMS, premenstrual syndrome.

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is symptoms that show up before your period that are related to your hormones.

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That is the most simplified version of a definition.

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Now, there is a difference between premenstrual syndrome and PMDD.

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or premenstrual dysphoric disorder, which is much more deep, much more serious.

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And the difference between the two is PMS, it can either be mood symptoms or it can be physical symptoms.

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So it can be those mood symptoms like anxiety, irritability, sadness, anger, just like feeling off, not feeling like yourself for that week before your period starts.

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It can also be bloating, it can be breast tenderness, it can be cramping, it can be digestive discomfort, it can be physical symptoms as well.

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We focus on all of those here, and we have amazing success with improving those symptoms, to be honest.

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And I love working with women on those symptoms because they are life-changing.

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When you have them, it changes your life for the worse.

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When you don't have them, it changes your life for the better.

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Now, PMDD, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, is

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much more in-depth, like I said, and it actually has a DSM-5 criteria, which means that you can be, it's considered a diagnosable mood disorder and is often treated with medication.

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I'm not here to tell you don't take medication for it.

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I am here to tell you there is a reason underlying

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that will not be fixed by medication.

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Even if you decide you need to take it for a while, that's totally fine.

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But there are reasons underlying that are causing those symptoms.

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And it's really important to understand that because if you can fix the underlying reasons, you can fix the symptoms and you can feel better.

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That stands true for PMS or PMDD, but PMDD is more mood related.

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It can also be physical, but more mood related where it's like severe anxiety, severe depression,

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And those symptoms are about a week before your cycle.

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I see clients with one to two weeks of symptoms before their period starts, but that all kind of like falls under the category of either PMS or PMDD, PMDD.

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You have to have five criteria to be diagnosed.

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And I just see it as a spectrum, to be honest, kind of like a sliding scale of BMS to PMDD.

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When we know that there's an underlying framework in the body that needs to be supported so that the symptoms go away regardless of severity, to me, doesn't necessarily mean we need to know if it's an apple or an orange.

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We just need to know that we need to work on it, essentially.

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That is my definition of PMS, PMDD.

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Why does it happen is an important question.

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So why do we have these symptoms the week before a period?

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So it is typically caused by a hormonal imbalance.

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So you're here because you're like, I know I have a hormone imbalance and I need to fix it, okay?

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So,

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Why does that happen, though?

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So there are multiple reasons that we have hormone imbalances, but what I want you to hear most of all is the hormones are not their own problem.

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They're just not their own problem.

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So when we do these band-aid fixes for hormones like birth control, like even anti-anxiety, antidepressant medications to control hormone-related moods,

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And I'm going to go into supplements in a little bit, but some of these common supplements that are for hormones themselves, it is a band-aid.

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It is not fixing the root cause problem.

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Because when we peel back the layers, the biggest issue that causes PMS, PMDD, painful periods, any of these hormone symptoms is that your brain is not getting the signals of safety that it needs

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to prioritize proper hormone regulation.

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So it doesn't, it's not getting told that things are safe, so it can make hormones well and detox hormones well.

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Those 2 things have to happen for your hormone symptoms to improve.

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And when your brain is not getting those signals of safety, there are some really specific physical causes that I see almost every single time.

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Number one, these are not in any particular order, so I don't really know why I said number one, but one is mineral imbalance, mineral depletion.

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You mamas who have had several babies and feel like a hot mess, your minerals are probably

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over the place.

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I see this all the time because I do HDMA testing with my clients.

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And there are some very specific mineral patterns that are related to chronic burnout, chronic anxiety, fatigue, hormone imbalances, just really not feeling like yourself.

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Wondering where that mom went, who was fun, versus the mom who's just overwhelmed all the time.

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Wondering where the wife went, who was fun, versus the one who's just like, stay away from me.

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I need my own time, right?

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That is not your fault in a lot of ways.

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There's a lot of responsibility you can take.

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There's a lot you can do to help yourself.

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And there are underlying causes.

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When your minerals are depleted, you probably started off depleted and then you had a couple babies and you had some stress and you had a lot of nights that you didn't get enough sleep and a lot of days you didn't eat the food that you needed to eat and your minerals are depleted.

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That's one huge reason that I see.

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And that is something that we can test, we can support, we can replenish and we

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see moms come out of the fog all the time when minerals start to balance.

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The reason that this is so important or a reason that this is so important is another piece of the puzzle is blood sugar imbalance.

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This doesn't mean diabetes.

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You've heard me talk about this before if you've been here for a while, but blood sugar imbalance is a huge, huge piece in development.

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dysregulation in the body and the body does not have signals of safety when your blood sugar is a hot mess all the time.

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This doesn't mean you have a 200 blood sugar or you're dropping into the 50s, but if you are not within optimal ranges and you are dropping your blood sugars, usually what I see most is blood sugars dropping consistently throughout the day because you're not eating

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the right macronutrients together at meals.

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You're skipping meals, you're not paying attention to what you're eating.

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Even if you are eating healthy food, this is still probably happening for you.

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And how you would know is your energy is not great.

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You have crashes during the day, your sleep might not be great.

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You have these times where you're feeling anxious, overwhelmed, burned out, and you don't really know why.

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The more extreme version would be feeling like lightheaded or dizzy or like that cold and clammy, even hangry.

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These are big signs of blood sugar imbalance, but the ones that I mentioned just a minute ago are...

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There are also very common signs of blood sugar imbalance that are just not quite as much of an obvious red flag.

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But when blood sugar drops, cortisol has to rise to create that emergency response to get your liver to dump glycogen so that you can have enough blood sugar in your system to keep yourself alive.

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That is an emergency response in the body.

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That is a huge ding, ding, ding.

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things are going wrong here for your body, it can take care of it.

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And it does take care of it.

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But the more times that happens, the less time your body stays in a safe mode.

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And then let's just throw in all the other stressors, running late, the kids, work, money stress, marriage stress, whatever the other stressors are for you.

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have very little time in your day, potentially, where things actually feel safe, even if things like are actually safe.

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If things are not safe, then 10X everything that I just said.

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But when we are able to balance minerals and support blood sugar so that it can start to regulate, we start to see a lot more nervous system regulation.

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And we work on nervous system regulation as well so that you can start to feel safe when you're safe.

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these signals of stress start to slow down and your brain starts to say, hey, I'm safe, hey, I'm safe, hey, I'm safe, instead of red flag emergency 24-7, it starts to prioritize fertility again, starts to prioritize estrogen balance, progesterone balance, making enough progesterone.

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to move estrogen out, to keep things balanced, and symptoms start to improve, almost without fail, to be honest.

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When we look at hormone balance in this way, this is like core principles.

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Is there more?

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Absolutely.

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And this is why we personalize in coaching.

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Maybe it is your gut.

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Gut is huge as well.

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As far as like so many women come to me and they say nothing about their gut.

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And when I ask, they're like, oh, I've been constipated for my entire life.

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I poop like two times a week, three times a week.

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Or I have to try really hard to make it happen.

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I have to take magnesium and I have to do this other thing and I have to drink enough water and I have to like do 10,000 steps, all these things, right?

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I have to make sure I take fiber powder or there's all the things that we try, right?

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But if that's you,

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then gut is something that we're going to need to work on.

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If that's not you, it may not be.

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But again, this is why we personalize.

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So that these biggest triggers for stress in the body, the biggest things that are causing your body not to feel safe, are addressed as quickly as possible.

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Detox issues are another factor, but when we start to balance minerals, when the liver has started to be supported by not having to chase your blood sugar around all day, your liver can work better to actually detox.

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Your kidneys can work better to detox because they have the nutrients that you need.

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We start to move in specific ways so your lymphatic system can be working better.

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So you're sweating some of the time.

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It becomes so much easier to detox hormones when your body starts to have what it needs and have those signals of safety.

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And the beauty of all of this, I know I'm saying a lot of things, but hear me, we can simplify and do less than you are doing now, most likely, and still get better results because we are working in a way that works with your body.

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instead of throwing a bunch of random stuff at your body and seeing what sticks, essentially.

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That kind of like segues me into, I've been doing some mini hormone audits, which I'll just go ahead and throw this in right now.

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I've been having a lot of fun doing these mini hormone audits, and I've done several this week, but I have some spots for next week.

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So if you want one of those spots completely free, all you need to do is e-mail me, hello at leishadrews.com.

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You can Instagram message me too if you want to with the word audit.

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And I'll ask you a couple quick questions, and I will send you a quick voice note that says, hey, this is what I see as the biggest red flags for your body.

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This is where you need to start to do something about it.

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I cannot do a million of them, but first come, first served, I will do as many as I can.

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So e-mail me with the word audit.

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to really be first in line.

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If for some reason you would rather not e-mail me and you want to message me on Instagram, you can do that too.

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I'll see it a little bit later than I'll see it in e-mail.

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So send me that word audit.

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I will do a mini audit for you and help you kind of personalize this.

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But I've been doing some of these audits this week and I see especially naturopaths and like functional medicine doctors do a lot of these same supplements for supporting PMS.

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And when

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I see this.

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It just kind of frustrates me because these common supplements are often just, number one, making the chaos worse in the body, and #2, just like band-aids.

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They're not doing anything to fix these underlying issues that are causing the hormone problems in the 1st place.

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So it's looking at, okay, your estrogen is high, you have PMS symptoms, so we're just going to bring the estrogen down.

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But why is the estrogen high?

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It doesn't matter.

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It does matter, actually.

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But for these protocols, it doesn't matter.

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We're just looking at like, let's just bring the estrogen down.

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Well, that's not ideal because it's not going to actually change anything under the surface.

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And even if it does work to bring the estrogen down, it's only going to work while you're taking the supplement.

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And what else is the supplement doing in your body?

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So for example, DIM is a really, really common one for estrogen balance.

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It's in so many of these hormone supplements that are supposed to balance your hormones.

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But DIM

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only decreases estrogen by putting it down a little bit of a different pathway.

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And it's only appropriate in some cases, and it's only appropriate for short amounts of time.

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And it's really, really, really only appropriate if the underlying issues are being resolved and if we're working on them.

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But so much of the time, it's just like, just take DIM and it'll help your acne, it'll help your breast tenderness, it'll help your mood swings, whatever it is.

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Another one that I see all the time that I really never use is Chaste Tree or Vitex.

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That one is supposed to create more progesterone.

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But if your body is not making enough progesterone because it does not feel safe enough to prioritize reproduction and ovulation, then chase tree is not going to fix that problem.

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Could it possibly increase progesterone for you?

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Potentially, yes.

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I know there are studies on this.

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With that being said, at what cost?

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And if it does increase your progesterone and you are still stressed the heck out and your body is only getting those signals of things are a hot mess,

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please keep me alive and don't worry about anything else, then you often will be stealing that progesterone to make more cortisol and it's just going to continue causing you problems.

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So chaste tree is another one that I see.

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But then also just the kind of like general supplements like vitamin D, especially high doses, B vitamin complexes, zinc.

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These are ones that I see so often and they are not something that you can just take with no effects long term.

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So vitamin D,

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changes your calcium levels, not in a good way.

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And it can affect your zinc as well.

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It can affect your copper.

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It can affect your vitamin A.

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B complexes, they can be good, but so much of the time they are so, potent.

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And in an already overstimulated body and nervous system, it's almost just like putting gasoline on a fire.

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Let's just see how fast we can burn out.

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Now, does that mean it's never a good thing?

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No, sometimes it is a good thing, but we have to know

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what's going on in your body, we have to calm things down before it would even be helpful.

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Zinc can change your copper levels.

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And when copper and iron are out of balance, it can make hormone issues way worse.

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And then another thing that I see is detox supplements, like doing a cleanse or like liver supplements and things like that.

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And while I do use some liver support herbs, you just, again, you can't take this

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one-size-fits-all perspective and just think that these things are going to fix hormones because they could fix hormones.

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We need to know what's going on in your body and how we can support that versus the

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potentially taking things that are just going to make your nervous system more overstimulated, not do anything for your blood sugar, not do anything for your minerals, not do anything for the foundations that you need.

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And I think that sometimes it can even be worse because you start taking these supplements and you're like, okay, I'm doing something for my hormones and no one ever looked at your food.

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No one ever looked at your bedtime routine.

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No one ever looked at how stressed out you are.

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And they just said these supplements are going to fix your problems.

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And so you take them and you rely on them and you think they're going to help.

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And you do nothing for the actual problem for how many more months until you realize these supplements aren't working.

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And then you give up for a while until something gets worse.

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And then you find another solution, right?

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So if that's you, this is a time to take action on what's actually going to help you.

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And

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Let me do a little audit for you, or just let me know that you want to book a call and we'll talk about coaching and really going deep and figuring this out for you because this is what we do every single day in coaching.

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Now, I promised you that we would talk about normal versus red flags, and then I have not gotten there yet.

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So I am going to go over that.

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And then we're going to kind of really talk about the framework of what we do instead of all these things that we don't want to do to help with your PMS.

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So normal PMS in a cycle, in my opinion, is in the luteal phase.

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So once you've ovulated, it is normal.

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And I mean, like, it is fine if your hormones are balanced, you still might feel this way.

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It is normal to be a little bit more sensitive to stress.

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So if you're in your luteal phase,

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and you have a very stressful couple weeks and you feel more stressed than you would in your other half of the cycle, that is normal.

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You feel a little bit more tired in that part of your cycle.

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It can be normal.

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I don't mean crashing every afternoon, but maybe you need to go to bed earlier a couple nights and it's no big deal and then you feel fine during the rest of the day.

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It is also normal to just need a little bit more personal space.

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That's okay.

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But if it comes at a cost of you're snapping at people, you're irritable, you are canceling plans, these kind of things, that's a little bit out of what I would consider normal.

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The other thing that is normal is to need more calories, specifically more carbs during this phase.

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So sometimes that shows up as cravings because we think that it's bad to eat more.

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But eating a little bit more carbs during this phase is actually normal and is good.

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So it is normal to feel a little bit different in your luteal phase than you would in your follicular.

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face because your hormones are changing.

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And so you're going to feel different.

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Anything more than that is a red flag to me.

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And I told you, I see this as kind of a spectrum.

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So if you have irritability 2 days out of the month, if you have energy crashes 3, four days out of the month, if you just notice your digestion's a little bit off 2 days before your period,

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This is all manageable.

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You can live through it, right?

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This is like the low end of the spectrum.

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You can live through it, but if you know that these are signs that your body is imbalanced, that the signals of safety are off, and you can do something about it before they get worse, absolutely take the chance to do that.

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Now, we can be far other end of the spectrum where things are really hard.

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You are feeling absolutely not like yourself for a week or two weeks out of your cycle.

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You're depressed, you're sad, you're anxious, you can't cope with life.

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You have severe breast tenderness, your digestion's a mess, you're cramping, you're having heavy bleeding when your period does come, your acne is all over the place.

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This is more on the severe side.

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I also consider that a bigger red flag, right?

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There's more dysfunction.

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What we need to do, instead of trying to fix this with random supplements, we're guessing what's going on, we need to decode the pattern that your body is telling you.

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And the way that we do that is, number one, we personalize.

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So we get the big picture of what your body is doing and why it doesn't feel safe.

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So we audit that with nutrition, supplements, lifestyle,

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and any other factors that we need to.

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We get that big picture personalization for you day one when you come into coaching, and then we simplify.

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We do less interventions.

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We find out what starts to work for you, and we stick with it without going on Instagram a million times and finding all these different options and supplements that might be working for you and trying new things and throwing more spaghetti at the wall.

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We find what starts to work and we stick with it long enough for it to really work for you.

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And we really focus on getting more nutrients consistently throughout your day, throughout your week, throughout your cycle, so that your body is truly getting what it needs for signals of safety.

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And then we work on the lifestyle factors as we need to as well, like emotional stress, nervous system support, circadian rhythm support, and those type of things.

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But we truly simplify and give you the most important few steps to start with so that you start to feel better as soon as possible.

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And then we snowball from there with what is realistic for you.

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And the result of that method is that you make and detox hormones better because your body starts to feel safe.

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You have more stable moods, you have better energy.

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And my very, very favorite result is that you start to feel like yourself again.

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I just was talking to a client in the last couple of days and she told me that her kids said, Hey, mom, you're being silly again like you used to.

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And she was like, This is what it's all about.

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And we both were just celebrating for her because this is what it's all about.

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When your husband says, Hey,

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There you are again, right?

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Or you've noticed that yourself, like you're laughing more.

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You're not so stressed out about dinner.

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You're noticing that you got through your luteal phase.

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and you had two hours that you felt off instead of an entire week.

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These changes happen a little bit at a time, but that is what we're really going for, is that you start to feel like yourself again.

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You start to feel like the mom you wanna be.

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You start to feel like the wife you wanna be.

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You start to have more capacity to do the things you actually love instead of just feeling like you're surviving the day and counting down the hours until bedtime or counting down the hours till the weekend.

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or when you can do what you want to do, but you actually have the resources in your body to not only survive, but to thrive through your day, through your life, and even through your luteal phase.

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This is the result that we're looking for, and this is the result that we're getting in coaching because we have such a specific framework to fix the things that are the root cause and not to be distracted by all of the fancy

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I wanna say fruit-fra, and so I'm just gonna say fruit-fra, because I think you know what I mean by that.

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And it's just incredible how our bodies can heal when they have what they need.

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So I just wanna encourage you with that, that no matter where you are with your hormones, things can get better.

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And if you're ready to do that, send me the word audit, tell me that you wanna book a call and we'll talk about it.

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No pressure, let's just get in there, look at things for you, and make a plan that's actually going to work.

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All right, ladies, I'll see you next week.